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My analysis of frerrote... for you crazy folks...

arsenal said:
no you dont underthrow a ball like that, you throw it behind a reciever yes, but usually to the outside, you dont loft it in the middle of the field and have your WR come back... thats not intentional and obviously not a big deal being that frerrote just had a safety wiff by him at 100 mph, haha... i would expect that ****ty throw after that...

but i watched plays repeatedly (thank you DVR) all i saw was frerrote lock onto recievers and barely move in the pocket, one play he moved over slightly almost omre into the DEs, haha (that was the TD mispass to gilmore)...

but i think the problem is everyone looks at that ugly screen pass on feeley and act like hes rattled, but really a busted screen you cant do anything... besides that feeley did fine with the more constant rush that frerrote got, he stepped up ahead of i tihnk alex brown when he beat carey, just to have an untouched urlacher in his face...

i think you guys confuse the fact that feeley had much more pressure on him from the first team defense, when gus was in with the first team defense after his prayer of a pass to chambers he couldn't do anything either and took a sack and was on his *** a few times... thats why then the second drive on the second team defense he had a lot more quick screens and short passes since the protection wasn't there...

i hate how i ahve to sound like a feeley supporter when really i just want the best guy, but its like you guys wanna find bad things for feeley and give frerrote the benefit of the doubt with ****... just be unbiased and watch again, you'll see...
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The thing that bothers me about AJ is that he never scans the field. If you can, rewatch the plays where AJ drops back to pass. Not once did he ever look to the opposite side of the field. It seems like he is limited to two receivers on any given play and that's only if they're fairly close together. The only play where he didn't throw to the area he locked in on from the beginning was the screen to the FB. He looked in to a curl (I think) and then tossed it to the flat. But even that wasn't a read. That's the design. The pass to Thompson should have been caught, but AJ has some fault there as well. IMO Thompson was expecting the ball to be tipped by the bear (LB, I think) that was dropping into the lane (he might have actually touched it). The reason the LB was dropping into the lane was that he was reading AJ's eyes. If people's analysis of QBs is limited to whether a pass has velocity and accuracy then AJ did fine, but that's not enough to be a successful starting QB.
 
arsenal said:
no you dont underthrow a ball like that, you throw it behind a reciever yes, but usually to the outside, you dont loft it in the middle of the field and have your WR come back... thats not intentional and obviously not a big deal being that frerrote just had a safety wiff by him at 100 mph, haha... i would expect that ****ty throw after that...

but i watched plays repeatedly (thank you DVR) all i saw was frerrote lock onto recievers and barely move in the pocket, one play he moved over slightly almost omre into the DEs, haha (that was the TD mispass to gilmore)...

but i think the problem is everyone looks at that ugly screen pass on feeley and act like hes rattled, but really a busted screen you cant do anything... besides that feeley did fine with the more constant rush that frerrote got, he stepped up ahead of i tihnk alex brown when he beat carey, just to have an untouched urlacher in his face...

i think you guys confuse the fact that feeley had much more pressure on him from the first team defense, when gus was in with the first team defense after his prayer of a pass to chambers he couldn't do anything either and took a sack and was on his *** a few times... thats why then the second drive on the second team defense he had a lot more quick screens and short passes since the protection wasn't there...

i hate how i ahve to sound like a feeley supporter when really i just want the best guy, but its like you guys wanna find bad things for feeley and give frerrote the benefit of the doubt with ****... just be unbiased and watch again, you'll see...
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You make some interesting points. I don't think you're a Feeley supporter. Reading my last post, it may sound like I'm a "Guskateer" as someone called it in another thread :lol: . But I'm not, I'm just a fan who wants the best QB on the field. I hope the answer will start to become more clear after this Saturday when Frerotte runs with the first team. Then we will be able to form a better opinion about the two.
 
on that thompson throw he put it right over the LB, i thought that was a nice pass... your not gonna have guys fully by themselves all the time you gotta be able to put it where the defender cant get it but your guy can...

i noticed him looking around when his primary wasn't open, if his primary is where hes supposed to be hes gonna throw it there, hes not gonna look away to look back... but i didn't watch if he was locking on much, he only had 7 attempts, ima check again for that...
 
arsenal said:
no you dont underthrow a ball like that, you throw it behind a reciever yes, but usually to the outside, you dont loft it in the middle of the field and have your WR come back... thats not intentional and obviously not a big deal being that frerrote just had a safety wiff by him at 100 mph, haha... i would expect that ****ty throw after that...

but i watched plays repeatedly (thank you DVR) all i saw was frerrote lock onto recievers and barely move in the pocket, one play he moved over slightly almost omre into the DEs, haha (that was the TD mispass to gilmore)...

but i think the problem is everyone looks at that ugly screen pass on feeley and act like hes rattled, but really a busted screen you cant do anything... besides that feeley did fine with the more constant rush that frerrote got, he stepped up ahead of i tihnk alex brown when he beat carey, just to have an untouched urlacher in his face...

i think you guys confuse the fact that feeley had much more pressure on him from the first team defense, when gus was in with the first team defense after his prayer of a pass to chambers he couldn't do anything either and took a sack and was on his *** a few times... thats why then the second drive on the second team defense he had a lot more quick screens and short passes since the protection wasn't there...

i hate how i ahve to sound like a feeley supporter when really i just want the best guy, but its like you guys wanna find bad things for feeley and give frerrote the benefit of the doubt with ****... just be unbiased and watch again, you'll see...
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If Gus was bad than Feeley doesn't belong in the NFL.I'm really sick to see how people make excuses for a certain player.Feeley show me that he hasn't improve on his weakness, which are:
panicing when he sees a little of rush in his face and locking on to his primary receiver.
 
Arsenal, I really dont know how you can complain about 140+ yards 1 td and a 110 passer rating in one quarter of play. What more would you have liked him to do? This was the FIRST preseason game, for goodness sakes. Do you remember where the offense was last year in the first preseason game?
 
Surferosa said:
Arsenal, I really dont know how you can complain about 140+ yards 1 td and a 110 passer rating in one quarter of play. What more would you have liked him to do? This was the FIRST preseason game, for goodness sakes. Do you remember where the offense was last year in the first preseason game?
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im not talking about stats... a pass that frerrote meant to pass to a tight end ends up as a TD doesn't make me feel better about him just cause its a TD in the boxscore...

preseason games aren't about results its about how they are playing in the game... frerrotte really had 2 plays, the chambers pass and teht gilmore TD both were horribly thrown balls, yes it might have worked out this game, but that doesn't make me have confidence in him...
 
arsenal said:
on that thompson throw he put it right over the LB, i thought that was a nice pass... your not gonna have guys fully by themselves all the time you gotta be able to put it where the defender cant get it but your guy can...

i noticed him looking around when his primary wasn't open, if his primary is where hes supposed to be hes gonna throw it there, hes not gonna look away to look back... but i didn't watch if he was locking on much, he only had 7 attempts, ima check again for that...
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If you want to know if a QB has feel watch where he looks. A good QB will create space for his receiver by looking off his target even if it's his primary guy. On the Thompson throw AJ locked on and brought the defender into the play. It was a nice throw, but it had to be b/c he telegraphed it. If he does the same thing next time and doesn't make the perfect throw, it'll be picked. It's the same thing I've been saying all along. If AJ doesn't improve in this area he will never be any good. I watched all last year for improvement in this area. I didn't see it. Last night I taped the game and he did the exact same thing. All the people that seem to think AJ played well are basing it on his velocity and accuracy and that's it. Unfortunately an NFL QB also needs a feel for the rush and a feel for the receivers. AJ has never shown that. It's very rare for a QB to be in the league that long, never show any feel, and then suddemly blossom into a great QB. Without feel, you don't have potential.
 
All we can really go on is stats. AJ was 4 for 7 so he didn't get much reps. But when he was in, we didn't score.

Gus ans Sage on the other hand, got us scores. That's all that counts anyway
 
rafael said:
If you want to know if a QB has feel watch where he looks. A good QB will create space for his receiver by looking off his target even if it's his primary guy. On the Thompson throw AJ locked on and brought the defender into the play. It was a nice throw, but it had to be b/c he telegraphed it. If he does the same thing next time and doesn't make the perfect throw, it'll be picked. It's the same thing I've been saying all along. If AJ doesn't improve in this area he will never be any good. I watched all last year for improvement in this area. I didn't see it. Last night I taped the game and he did the exact same thing. All the people that seem to think AJ played well are basing it on his velocity and accuracy and that's it. Unfortunately an NFL QB also needs a feel for the rush and a feel for the receivers. AJ has never shown that. It's very rare for a QB to be in the league that long, never show any feel, and then suddemly blossom into a great QB. Without feel, you don't have potential.
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Thank you.......
 
Dphins4me said:
What makes you say that, when Gus was locked onto Chambers & never seen Briggs and he was in the endzone.

Sometimes they simply get to the QB as with Urlachers sack.
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What makes me say that Didn't he get taken out of the game :cool:
 
well last years games i did watch a lot and feeley did not lock onto recievers when he has time in the pocket towards the end of the season...

one thing you guys seem to not understand is if you have no time in the pocket you dont have time to look off anyone... payton manning can look at marvin harrison while he runs his route then switch over to dallas clark on a go route on the opposite side of the field if he has time in the pocket to do that... if he doesn't, you know what hes sacked before he can even look in dallas' direction...

i dont know what you expect but watch any QB in the league if they have pressure on them see how casually they scan the field and look off safeties, haha... its not something you can do if you dont have time in the pocket... which i think was a big problem with what people think of feeley... im not saying hes the greatest at scanning the field, but you people act like he should do it even if guys are draped around him then you'll yell at him for not being michael vick and getting out of that situation... that standards you apply to this guy are CRAZY... and especially in the first preseason game, he still getting the feel of knowing where every guy on the field is, until he knows that you cant expect him to be looking people of wth the minimal time he has in the pocket... i really feel bad if we bring in a rookie QB next year, you guys are crazy...
 
I realize that the defense missed that sack in the endzone. But put AJ in that spot and he would have freaked. Gus just seemed more calm and in control.
 
arsenal said:
im not talking about stats... a pass that frerrote meant to pass to a tight end ends up as a TD doesn't make me feel better about him just cause its a TD in the boxscore...

preseason games aren't about results its about how they are playing in the game... frerrotte really had 2 plays, the chambers pass and teht gilmore TD both were horribly thrown balls, yes it might have worked out this game, but that doesn't make me have confidence in him...
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You're making a mountian out of nothing. Frerotte played well, and you're passing if off as luck. So what on one play the ball slipped out of his hand and it went to Gilmore. Did you ever think that the player he wanted to throw the ball too would've been a TD? After all, he completed more than 70% of passes and his passer rating was 110. You might not have confidence in Frerotte right now, but I'm sure you can't say that after last nights performance, you have more confidence in AJ "my tushy hurt" Feeley... :D .
 
arsenal said:
well last years games i did watch a lot and feeley did not lock onto recievers when he has time in the pocket towards the end of the season...

one thing you guys seem to not understand is if you have no time in the pocket you dont have time to look off anyone... payton manning can look at marvin harrison while he runs his route then switch over to dallas clark on a go route on the opposite side of the field if he has time in the pocket to do that... if he doesn't, you know what hes sacked before he can even look in dallas' direction...

i dont know what you expect but watch any QB in the league if they have pressure on them see how casually they scan the field and look off safeties, haha... its not something you can do if you dont have time in the pocket... which i think was a big problem with what people think of feeley... im not saying hes the greatest at scanning the field, but you people act like he should do it even if guys are draped around him then you'll yell at him for not being michael vick and getting out of that situation... that standards you apply to this guy are CRAZY... and especially in the first preseason game, he still getting the feel of knowing where every guy on the field is, until he knows that you cant expect him to be looking people of wth the minimal time he has in the pocket... i really feel bad if we bring in a rookie QB next year, you guys are crazy...
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This is the NFL not youth football.The average time QB has 7 seconds to make a decision and get rid of the ball.A.J Feeley may have phycal talent but lacks metal aspect of the position.This guy simply breaks down under pressure.Any QB can make a good throw with alot time but what seperate a good QB from the rest is making those quick desicion and not panicking.
 
mor911 said:
I realize that the defense missed that sack in the endzone. But put AJ in that spot and he would have freaked. Gus just seemed more calm and in control.
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EXACTLY. That's one of the intangibles I've been talking about that Frerotte exhibited last night. POISE. I'm still not counting Feeley out of the race but Frerotte won round one.
 
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