My analysis of frerrote... for you crazy folks...

[rafael]

well last years games i did watch a lot and feeley did not lock onto recievers when he has time in the pocket towards the end of the season...

one thing you guys seem to not understand is if you have no time in the pocket you dont have time to look off anyone... payton manning can look at marvin harrison while he runs his route then switch over to dallas clark on a go route on the opposite side of the field if he has time in the pocket to do that... if he doesn't, you know what hes sacked before he can even look in dallas' direction...

i dont know what you expect but watch any QB in the league if they have pressure on them see how casually they scan the field and look off safeties, haha... its not something you can do if you dont have time in the pocket... which i think was a big problem with what people think of feeley... im not saying hes the greatest at scanning the field, but you people act like he should do it even if guys are draped around him then you'll yell at him for not being michael vick and getting out of that situation... that standards you apply to this guy are CRAZY... and especially in the first preseason game, he still getting the feel of knowing where every guy on the field is, until he knows that you cant expect him to be looking people of wth the minimal time he has in the pocket... i really feel bad if we bring in a rookie QB next year, you guys are crazy...

I expect him to do what Gus did. Bear in mind, I don't think Gus is a great QB. He's an avg. starter at best, but he is better than AJ. If you taped it put a clock on the passing plays. I did. Gus didn't have anymore time than AJ. It just looked like he did b/c he doesn't have happy feet and actually moves around in the pocket.

 

[arsenal]

You're making a mountian out of nothing. Frerotte played well, and you're passing if off as luck. So what on one play the ball slipped out of his hand and it went to Gilmore. Did you ever think that the player he wanted to throw the ball too would've been a TD? After all, he completed more than 70% of passes and his passer rating was 110. You might not have confidence in Frerotte right now, but I'm sure you can't say that after last nights performance, you have more confidence in AJ "my tushy hurt" Feeley... :D .

naa really neither showed me much... so i just dont understand how frerrote jumped ot the top of the board, its not just that throw, its the chambers throw, and its 5 WR screens that gave him those stats... really he just didn't impress, and i dont get it, ima watch again maybe i'll see something different...

feeley didn't get a chance to do anything, they kept trying to run it and he had 3 incompletions one on a thompson drop and one on a busted screen... what can you really see from that?

i thought if you compare completions, feeley threw the ball better, more accurate... success wise frerrote did better but i think it was more situatoin than him by himself playing well... especially since he went u pagainst the 2nd string D

 

[inFINSible]

The thing that bothers me about AJ is that he never scans the field. If you can, rewatch the plays where AJ drops back to pass. Not once did he ever look to the opposite side of the field. It seems like he is limited to two receivers on any given play and that's only if they're fairly close together. The only play where he didn't throw to the area he locked in on from the beginning was the screen to the FB. He looked in to a curl (I think) and then tossed it to the flat. But even that wasn't a read. That's the design. The pass to Thompson should have been caught, but AJ has some fault there as well. IMO Thompson was expecting the ball to be tipped by the bear (LB, I think) that was dropping into the lane (he might have actually touched it). The reason the LB was dropping into the lane was that he was reading AJ's eyes. If people's analysis of QBs is limited to whether a pass has velocity and accuracy then AJ did fine, but that's not enough to be a successful starting QB.

AJ is at fault because Thompson expected the ball to be tipped??

The reason that the LBer was dropping into the lane is because he read AJ's eyes??

That's football, rafael! That's what it's all about! There aren't going to be 10 foot holes to run through or WR running free and wide open....There are professional players on both sides of the ball. The margin of errror is minute. It's up to each player to take advantage when the margin is in their favor.
Feeley threw the ball, it wasn't tipped and it hit DT in both of his teflon hands.

Feeley did his job, DT didn't do his.

 

[FinaticalOne]

naa really neither showed me much... so i just dont understand how frerrote jumped ot the top of the board, its not just that throw, its the chambers throw, and its 5 WR screens that gave him those stats... really he just didn't impress, and i dont get it, ima watch again maybe i'll see something different...

feeley didn't get a chance to do anything, they kept trying to run it and he had 3 incompletions one on a thompson drop and one on a busted screen... what can you really see from that?

i thought if you compare completions, feeley threw the ball better, more accurate... success wise frerrote did better but i think it was more situatoin than him by himself playing well... especially since he went u pagainst the 2nd string D

Thats cool. I'll go back and watch the game again too, and I'll keep your points in mind to see if my opinion changes on anything and I'll get back with you tomorrow.

 

[FinaticalOne]

AJ is at fault because Thompson expected the ball to be tipped??

The reason that the LBer was dropping into the lane is because he read AJ's eyes??

That's football, rafael! That's what it's all about! There aren't going to be 10 foot holes to run through or WR running free and wide open....There are professional players on both sides of the ball. The margin of errror is minute. It's up to each player to take advantage when the margin is in their favor.
Feeley threw the ball, it wasn't tipped and it hit DT in both of his teflon hands.

Feeley did his job, DT didn't do his.

I agree. There is no excuse for DT missing that ball.

 

[arsenal]

Thats cool. I'll go back and watch the game again too, and I'll keep your points in mind to see if my opinion changes on anything and I'll get back with you tomorrow.

i'll do the same... its just i dont understand how from yesterday there threads saying feeley sucked... its like are you serious? he threw 7 balls, one incompletion to chambers that was in the ground, a busted screen and a dropped pass by DT... his completions where nice balls, on target and where they needed to be... i'll check more on his locking onto recievers, but people here act like a QB is NEVER allowed to lookat the guy hes gonna throw to until hes throws it... but the one time i noticed a QB locking onto a reciever, was gus staring down chambers like he was 40 naked girls at the playboy mansion as the safety whiffed by him... ima check for that though and see really who wasn't locking onto recievers...

 

[rafael]

AJ is at fault because Thompson expected the ball to be tipped??

The reason that the LBer was dropping into the lane is because he read AJ's eyes??

That's football, rafael! That's what it's all about! There aren't going to be 10 foot holes to run through or WR running free and wide open....There are professional players on both sides of the ball. The margin of errror is minute. It's up to each player to take advantage when the margin is in their favor.
Feeley threw the ball, it wasn't tipped and it hit DT in both of his teflon hands.

Feeley did his job, DT didn't do his.

The LB read AJ's eyes b/c he telegraghed his throw. That's not football, that's poor QBing. AJ almost got away with it b/c he made a great throw, but it doesn't change the fact that he led the defender into play. The truth is no QB can make the perfect throw everytime. If you lock on and telegraph throws you will not succeed in the NFL. Thompson should have caught it but AJ made it more difficult for his WR to succeed.

 

[arsenal]

The LB read AJ's eyes b/c he telegraghed his throw. That's not football, that's poor QBing. AJ almost got away with it b/c he made a great throw, but it doesn't change the fact that he led the defender into play. The truth is no QB can make the perfect throw everytime. If you lock on and telegraph throws you will not succeed in the NFL. Thompson should have caught it but AJ made it more difficult for his WR to succeed.

were you at the game? cause if not i dont know how you saw it led the defender into the play? to me it looked like a zone and feeley put it over it the top of the middle zone there, but i can only go by what the tv shows us... thats one thing i hate about watching games on TV you really cant see how the recievers are route running and defenses are playing most of the time...

 

[rafael]

were you at the game? cause if not i dont know how you saw it led the defender into the play? to me it looked like a zone and feeley put it over it the top of the middle zone there, but i can only go by what the tv shows us... thats one thing i hate about watching games on TV you really cant see how the recievers are route running and defenses are playing most of the time...

No I wasn't there, but you can see it on the tape. The LB isn't looking at the receiver. He is staring at AJ. AJ is locked down the middle of the field and the LB is drifting with AJ's eyes.

 

[RWhitney014]

The LB read AJ's eyes b/c he telegraghed his throw. That's not football, that's poor QBing. AJ almost got away with it b/c he made a great throw, but it doesn't change the fact that he led the defender into play. The truth is no QB can make the perfect throw everytime. If you lock on and telegraph throws you will not succeed in the NFL. Thompson should have caught it but AJ made it more difficult for his WR to succeed.

The ball was dropped, plain and simple. In the NFL, if you get both hands on the ball, you're expected to catch it. Simple as that. Feeley was not at fault there...

I think the real difference between Feeley and Frerotte last night was that Gus was able to sustain a drive or two while Feeley (not aided by the drop, but still) couldn't get a real possession established for the entire quarter.

 

[Boik14]

If Gus was bad than Feeley doesn't belong in the NFL.I'm really sick to see how people make excuses for a certain player.Feeley show me that he hasn't improve on his weakness, which are:
panicing when he sees a little of rush in his face and locking on to his primary receiver.

You left out the fact that AJ holds on to the ball for a day and a half when chicago is blitzing 2 players every down in the 1st preseason game. I mean does he like getting hit or is he just that lost that he cant make a read off the snap like a normal qb does?

 

[arsenal]

haha what you see from the tape is a LB in zone, you dont know if he drifted over from watching feeleys eyes or not, they dont show you what he or the coverage were doing on that play... they dont even show the LB till the ball gets there... honestly you have no idea if he was just sitting in his zone or if he shaded over, or if he played it wrong, or played it right... your just making assumptions in a way to make feeley look bad...

dont be biased about these things, just look at it for what it was, a good throw... dont try to make it like feeley messed things up cause we dont konw the case without seeing the film from an angle that would show the route runner and the defender...

 

[Finland]

There is no denying Gus looked more at ease than Feeley. Feeley can't not seem to handle the short comings of our offense as well.

 

[rafael]

The ball was dropped, plain and simple. In the NFL, if you get both hands on the ball, you're expected to catch it. Simple as that. Feeley was not at fault there...

I think the real difference between Feeley and Frerotte last night was that Gus was able to sustain a drive or two while Feeley (not aided by the drop, but still) couldn't get a real possession established for the entire quarter.

Does everybody just skip over the line where I said Thompson should have caught it? At no point did I absolve Thompson, but we were talking about QB evaluation and AJ made a mistake on that play.

 

[A Wing Pilot]

You make some interesting points. I don't think you're a Feeley supporter. Reading my last post, it may sound like I'm a "Guskateer" as someone called it in another thread . But I'm not, I'm just a fan who wants the best QB on the field. I hope the answer will start to become more clear after this Saturday when Frerotte runs with the first team. Then we will be able to form a better opinion about the two.

<---- IN Honor of your excellent clasification I have now joined the GUSKATEER's


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