My analysis of frerrote... for you crazy folks...

[dolfan4good]

Does everybody just skip over the line where I said Thompson should have caught it? At no point did I absolve Thompson, but we were talking about QB evaluation and AJ made a mistake on that play.

I disagree. If Marino would have thrown that pass you would be saying it was awesome and he has great touch! let's say he did stare down the field.. he still made a great throw! Thompson should have caught it. Don;t minimize AJ's effort on that play. You want to cut someone down for a telegraphed toss, cut down Berlin for his last one. Although overall I think he dd ok too.

 

[LithoMan]

but the question is how many games before he gets his head taken off b/c he has absolutely no pocket awareness

Exactly my thinking. You want to dog Gus for having no pocket awerness, my thinking is, you are blinded by your belief in a 3rd stringer at best in Feeley, because he got blasted by Urlacher that put him out of the game, why? Because he got blasted coming straight to him up the middle, because Feeley is locked onto his target, and didnt even see Urlacher coming.

So, you dog Gus, but not Feeley, and they both do the same thing. Theres one phin fan on here, blinded by some hype BS, about Feeley, needing time to be good, disproved in his "Give Feeley time", and " Im unbiased" statements. Only 10000 more to go.

 

[ete]

Hello.

Pre-season games are notorious for their mirages, masking the true nature of the team and certain players. From what I've watched last night, all quarterbacks seemed to do all right, but really didn't set themselves apart from the pack. Brock Berlin surprised me with his moxie and ability, but that was against 3rd & 4th string defenses.

In today's Herald, Armando Salguero stated that Gus Ferrotte is scheduled to start next week, so things should be interesting. It would prove telling in this QB competition as to how Gus would do with the 1st offensive unit against the opposing team's 1st defensive unit.

Either way, I think that the winner of this QB competition would probably not do well, and would not help the Dolphins win that many games (8+) this year. I have a feeling that by next season, the Dolphins braintrust will eventually acquire a starting-caliber quarterback either through the draft or free agency.

Enjoy.

 

[Boik14]

well last years games i did watch a lot and feeley did not lock onto recievers when he has time in the pocket towards the end of the season...

one thing you guys seem to not understand is if you have no time in the pocket you dont have time to look off anyone... payton manning can look at marvin harrison while he runs his route then switch over to dallas clark on a go route on the opposite side of the field if he has time in the pocket to do that... if he doesn't, you know what hes sacked before he can even look in dallas' direction...

i dont know what you expect but watch any QB in the league if they have pressure on them see how casually they scan the field and look off safeties, haha... its not something you can do if you dont have time in the pocket... which i think was a big problem with what people think of feeley... im not saying hes the greatest at scanning the field, but you people act like he should do it even if guys are draped around him then you'll yell at him for not being michael vick and getting out of that situation... that standards you apply to this guy are CRAZY... and especially in the first preseason game, he still getting the feel of knowing where every guy on the field is, until he knows that you cant expect him to be looking people of wth the minimal time he has in the pocket... i really feel bad if we bring in a rookie QB next year, you guys are crazy...

You miss a lot of points when you make generalizations and comparisons to guys like manning. You forget how awful the colts were for mannings first year, yet he still came in and made a major impact. Unlike AJ he was the reason for the turnaround not part of what held his team back. Manning came in from day 1 as a rookie; AJ cant even come in from day 1 year 4 and make a positive impact. At best he was neutral last night. But I dont ever expect a qb to be Manning or Marino unless its that player im watching.

Part of being a good qb is knowing your teams strengths and weaknesses; the fact that our OL is a little young and was facing heavy blitzes (which we're gonna face until we can prove we can pick them up or burn people). That means that AJ has to be more aware of this and check down to a dump off or hot route. the reason a guy like Manning is so effective whether under pressure or pitching a tent is because he scares teams, they know hes going to burn them when you give him the chance. He strikes fear. AJ brings smiles and joy to all sack happy and pick happy ooponents cause of the way he plays.

You talk about scanning the field and then bash Gus' moderate success for doing just that. You talk talk about looking off safeties, but thats not in AJ's playbook. You talk about time to make reads, but good qb's make their own time by burning defenders when they come after him and by understanding how to get rid of the ball quickly when there's 7 blitzers and only 5 blockers and an hb/fb. You talk about not looking comfortable back there, well wtf is he doing in practice? By all accounts we're throwing blitz after blitz at him so how can he not be improving unless he cant make reads? You act like AJ is a rookie. He's not. He just plays like one. But it's a lot more disconcerting to me when i see a vet qb making rookie mistakes. Its year 4. Time the light went on. Hes got 4 more preseason games. I hope he does something productive but last night i saw the same things i saw all of last season.

Take it as AJ bashing, frankly i dont care. Its reality. He locks on, he holds the ball, hes scared whiter than a ghost to step up in the pocket last night (and it wasnt only on that screen, it was anytime he had pressure). the 1 positive I will take is that he actually made a nice touch pass on the ball Dropson dropped, thats something he lacked all of last year. Unfortunately thats what AJ seems to do though, give you a glimmer of what could be with 1 play and then revert to form the next 20 plays.

Finally, im not bashing your post or singling you out so i ask that you not tak it personally. Its not meant to ream you out. Its the disillussionment in your post that I cant let slip by.

 

[rafael]

haha what you see from the tape is a LB in zone, you dont know if he drifted over from watching feeleys eyes or not, they dont show you what he or the coverage were doing on that play... they dont even show the LB till the ball gets there... honestly you have no idea if he was just sitting in his zone or if he shaded over, or if he played it wrong, or played it right... your just making assumptions in a way to make feeley look bad...

dont be biased about these things, just look at it for what it was, a good throw... dont try to make it like feeley messed things up cause we dont konw the case without seeing the film from an angle that would show the route runner and the defender...

So you're assumption is that even though the LB was looking directly at AJ and was drifting in the direction that AJ was looking that it was probably coincidence that the LB was there. Yeah, I'm biased.

 

[FinaticPatch]

im not talking about stats... a pass that frerrote meant to pass to a tight end ends up as a TD doesn't make me feel better about him just cause its a TD in the boxscore...

preseason games aren't about results its about how they are playing in the game... frerrotte really had 2 plays, the chambers pass and teht gilmore TD both were horribly thrown balls, yes it might have worked out this game, but that doesn't make me have confidence in him...

Arsenal using that thought.....Feeley has a horrid game against the Pats lasy year but he didnt. They dropper 3 count em three sure,easy,ints against us....yet he is constantly praised for his work......how do you know if the ball doesnt slip it isnt a td to the TE anyways.

 

[FinaticPatch]

Doesnt realy matter what happens next week for arsenal......if Gus plays lights out it will be because of the o-line improvement and the opposing teams weak secondary.

 

[dolfan4good]

Did the play of any of these Qb's inspire confifdence in you guys? It didn;t for me. It's like picking the lesser of 4 evils!

 

[rafael]

I disagree. If Marino would have thrown that pass you would be saying it was awesome and he has great touch! let's say he did stare down the field.. he still made a great throw! Thompson should have caught it. Don;t minimize AJ's effort on that play. You want to cut someone down for a telegraphed toss, cut down Berlin for his last one. Although overall I think he dd ok too.

Don't tell me what I would have said. You have no clue. And I'm not mininmizing what AJ did on that play. I'm analyzing what he did well and what he did poorly and on that play he did a little of both.

 

[TheMageGandalf]

I just liked how he stood in the pocket and didn't seem scared. Feeley worries me because when the pressures on he loses his composure, leading to bad throws. Gus just seems calm behind the line, which is a huge trait in my opinion.

No more needs to be said as it was all said right there.

 

[Boik14]

Di the play of any of these Qb's inspire confifdence in you guys? It didn;t for me. It's like picking the lesser of 4 evils!

None of these qbs really inspire confidence in me. But like you say its the lesser of 4 evils. Berlin doesnt have a prayer. Sage might have a shot @ 2nd string if AJ really butchers a few outings and Sage played lights out. Aj, has an arm and not much else. Gus at least knows the offense, has awareness and an arm better than AJ's; hes not perfect but the best we have.

 

[arsenal]

So you're assumption is that even though the LB was looking directly at AJ and was drifting in the direction that AJ was looking that it was probably coincidence that the LB was there. Yeah, I'm biased.

well lets see a guy in a zone i would hope is looking at the QB...

all im saying is we dont know if he did or not... your making it like feeley was drawing defenders to him when we dont know that, im just giving you other examples it could be... i have no idea what happened because we cant see those things from the angles the TV gave us... thats all

as for boiks long post, with the QB should be able to beat a blitz the playcalling helps, thats why you eventually saw a lot of WR screens and short passes in the 2nd quarter, thats how you have to beat it... problem is feeley didn't get a chance...

 

[LithoMan]

Hello.

Pre-season games are notorious for their mirages, masking the true nature of the team and certain players. From what I've watched last night, all quarterbacks seemed to do all right, but really didn't set themselves apart from the pack. Brock Berlin surprised me with his moxie and ability, but that was against 3rd & 4th string defenses.

In today's Herald, Armando Salguero stated that Gus Ferrotte is scheduled to start next week, so things should be interesting. It would prove telling in this QB competition as to how Gus would do with the 1st offensive unit against the opposing team's 1st defensive unit.

Either way, I think that the winner of this QB competition would probably not do well, and would not help the Dolphins win that many games (8+) this year. I have a feeling that by next season, the Dolphins braintrust will eventually acquire a starting-caliber quarterback either through the draft or free agency.

Enjoy.

I totally agree with you on this. None of the QB's will set themselves apart, because none of them can. We got a bunch of 3rd stringers, that get to start, because we couldnt acquire one, because of more pressing holes.

Feeley will be gone next year, Gus will do the back up, we will have a new QB next season, I just hope to god, Randy gets to make the call, and Saban dont step in. Saban = Matt "turd" Leinart, Mueller = Omar Jacabs, possibly the guy I like, Kellen Clemens if he dont pick Omar in the first. Omar or Kellen is success for Phins, Leinart = destruction and mayhem for 5 more years.

 

[LOCAL SCUM!]

BOTTOM LINE: Feeley could not move the offense AT ALL. As soon as Frerotte stepped in we got a field goal the first time, and a TD the second drive. (which by the way..one of those drives was like 90 yards or something.) He was Definately more commanding of the offense. Feeley was Not good AT ALL. (as usual). Plus, took a hit, yes a good one, but as usual was ineffective and got knocked out of the game. Sage, (yes, i know he was up against the 2nd and 3rd stringers) drove the team down the field NICELY (also better than Feeley). I'll say it for you...
FRERROTTE IS BETTER AND SHOULD BE STARTING!

 

[inFINSible]

The LB read AJ's eyes b/c he telegraghed his throw. That's not football, that's poor QBing. AJ almost got away with it b/c he made a great throw, but it doesn't change the fact that he led the defender into play. The truth is no QB can make the perfect throw everytime. If you lock on and telegraph throws you will not succeed in the NFL. Thompson should have caught it but AJ made it more difficult for his WR to succeed.

All throws are telegraphed from some point in time, a good LBer is going to break on the ball at that point. The fact is, the ball was there and delivered without interference, DT should have caught it. It's as simple as that.