Nick Sabans Attitude

[canesfins13]

The way he handled the Spielman situation has a little to be desired. You dont tell the staff that Spielman is leaving before telling Spielman himself.

 

[touborg]

I don't think they are identical, but Saban is a calssic Tough guy.

I don't think any of the Fins players have that attitude that they wouldn't be able to put up with Sabans demands, but if they don't win it may be more difficyult.

And again, this wasn't my question, I rad it in some football magazine, or website.

No doubt Saban requires discipline from his players, but Bill Belichick is probably a better comparison than Tom Coughlin

 

[Losman7]

No doubt Saban requires discipline from his players, but Bill Belichick is probably a better comparison than Tom Coughlin

I didn't mean to compare him to Coughlin, as much as to the situation Coughlin found himself in when the players didn't want to put up with his demands.

 

[touborg]

I didn't mean to compare him to Coughlin, as much as to the situation Coughlin found himself in when the players didn't want to put up with his demands.

I havn't heard anyone complain, I've actually only heard the opposite. They seem excited about the new systems.

 

[Duss]

Tough guy attitude works when you are fair and know what your doing
Saban knows what he his doing and he his fair...

 

[fishfan34]

I don't know that there is evidence that Coughlin and Saban have a similar approach with regard to the "tough guy" stance. Coughlin is notorious for imposing extremely punitive measures upon players for minor and seemingly arbitrary reasons with little rationale beyond "that's not my way". I'm unaware of any reported incidents of Saban conducting his program that way.

Exactly. Coughlin is known as that for exactly what you said, setting rules that have little rhyme or reason and it's all non-football related. When they talk about Saban being a "Tough guy" type of coach, they are talking about being discipline within the scheme of the team and of the defense. He asks you to be on top of your game on EVERY PLAY!! Travis Daniels explained it best, if you're beaten on a play and the outcome is inevitible, don't just give 50% effort, continue to give 100% effort regardless, chase the play down, or else you will get ripped. That's what they mean when they mean tough guy. Not coughlin imposing fines and penalties for being "ON-TIME" for a meeting rather than 15 minutes early. Saban has had success and believes it's due to discipline within the system..

 

[FIN-IN-RI]

Being a tough guy is a good thing.. Being a complete a$$hole and running your Traning Camp like a boot camp is another.. (Coughlin)

Saban is so smart that hard-working players have no choice but to repect him. Players WANT to respect Saban.

 

[fishfan34]

Not to mention, I have heard nothing but positive things from the leaders of this team.. Zach, Jason (Who was as pi$$ed as anyone about Bates leaving), Sam, Chris Chambers, they all love what they see and have seen. Wins and losses will affect a team negatively or positively regardless of who the coach is and what their attitude is. If being a tough guy is asking your players to give their best all the time, play through pain, and play mistake free football, give me nothing but tough guys.

 

[rafael]

Saban is not Coughlin at all. Many of the complaints about Coughlin were that his practices were brutal. Saban doesn't spend much time hitting in practice. In that respect I imagine it's similar to what BB does. In fact, the practices should be much less grueling than they were under Wanny. The thing that gives Saban the tough guy rep is that he is often yelling. That isn't that big of a deal for most players who have probably had yelling coaches at some point in their career. I know I did and my time in football was much shorter than an NFL players. The key whether the players feel the coach respects them. So far Saban seems to be successful in making the players feel respected.

 

[MoTown Finman]

It's a very good point...everyone's happy now. What if they start losing. Saban handled the Spielman situation poorly! Interviewing other people is not exactly straight forward. Reportedly, when the two got together only Spielman spoke...again not exactly straight forward! I only hope he produces.

 

[themole]

I don't think they are identical, but Saban is a calssic Tough guy.

I don't think any of the Fins players have that attitude that they wouldn't be able to put up with Sabans demands, but if they don't win it may be more difficyult.

And again, this wasn't my question, I rad it in some football magazine, or website.

I'm no Jaguars fan, but I do live only an hour from the stadium and get most of my sports news from the Jax papers and tv broadcast. Coughlins rap was just as Aqua stated. Plus his practices were long and brutal. The players were constantly complaining about the way he conducted practice and I believe Coughlin softened a little toward the end. Saban does NOT believe in brutal and long extended practices. Infact, he prefers his practices to last only two hours with very little contact and a lot of emphases on execution until the team executes the plays flawlessly. Another philosophy he implements on the team is that the team captians and the team police themselves and handle all negatives between themselves before he gets involved. I can't recall any former players of Sabans having any negative comments about him after they left college. I do remember many negative comments from former college players on Coughlin when he first arrived on the scene in Jax. I think we are talking about two different animals here.

 

[fishfan34]

It's a very good point...everyone's happy now. What if they start losing. Saban handled the Spielman situation poorly! Interviewing other people is not exactly straight forward. Reportedly, when the two got together only Spielman spoke...again not exactly straight forward! I only hope he produces.

like i've said before, the question what if they start losing can be applied to every situation. The key with Saban is that he has a track record of his way being successful, so, of course he'll get the benefit of the doubt. He was straight forward as can be with Speilman and that whole situation. Did you not hear his interviews on the subject? Each time he was asked, he said that NO ONE was safe and that he wasn't promising anything. The "GM" title is Saban's anyways. He wants a right hand man and if Speilman really thought he had a shot, he's dumber than some of the moves that he made!

 

[themole]

Being a tough guy is a good thing.. Being a complete a$$hole and running your Traning Camp like a boot camp is another.. (Coughlin)

Saban is so smart that hard-working players have no choice but to repect him. Players WANT to respect Saban.

Oh..I think it will be ran just like a Boot Camp, emphasizing efficeincy and discipline. Anyone who has ever participated in a good organized football program would never have any problems with Uncle Sams Boot Camps. Excepting maybe those types who refuse to follow orders and "some" overweight linemen that might would struggle with the pullup bars and five miles of double time. Only difference is, you can't quit Unce Sam.

 

[LarryFinFan]

I was reading some article that was talking about Nick Sabans "tough guy" attitude nd it was asking if that will translate well to the NFL. (ala Tom Coughlin)

In college that sort of thing can fly, the kids aren't getting paid, and many of them make the team solely from hard work.

In the NFL its different, you have a lot more selfishness and attitude. These are the guys who have been told they are great for years.

now I'm not saying Saban will fail, but do you think the players will respond well to his style if the struggle at any point? Has this been discussed at all, I mean Saban may be a great coach, and have great schemes, but if they lose early on will the players continue to play for him?

It's a funny thing about guys that are considered "disciplinarians" like Saban...their players seem to love them. Saban knows that in order for him to be successful, you have to have the team working and buying into your system. He has generated that in both the pros and in college ball. The reason that people think Saban may have had a hard time with our players is probably because his MO is such a stark difference from Wanny's. He is a "what have you done for me lately" guy and not a "you did me well in the past" guy. All reports so far say that there are no issues. There probably will be a player or two who'll get his nose out of joint because of something he says or does. It'll be somewhat interesting because you know we will only get one side of the story (the press' side) and not the total story...so it'll bring all kinds of fodder out...

 

[CRAZYDOLFAN305]

For sure. There is no reason not too, the guys a proven winner at the collgege level, and he's had success in the pros as an assitant.

I thin what they are saying is, will the players by into his attitude if it dosen't translate to victories?

The entire Organization already did..