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Once and for all, IT WAS A FORWARD PASS!

The New Guy said:
Your line is crooked. I don't care what the angle of the picture is. You can't start your line behind the second hash mark and have it end up in front of that same hash mark (by a good margin), and call that a straight line. You even started to draw the line before Brown even has the ball in his possession.

My lines started when Ben released the ball and were straight. See post 187. Notice how the distance between my line and the 35 yardline remains the same from the bottom of the screen to the top of it. We know the 35 yardline is straight, so my line that is an equal distance from the bottom of the line and the top proves that it is straight. The distance between your line changes from the top to bottom which proves it was crooked. Something that can easily be seen with the naked eye, but keep on believing whatever you want to if it makes you feel better.
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Not to mention how wide Junc drew the line on his pic. Not only is it crooked -- but if you transpose that line onto the field (the width drawn on the pic translated to actual field size) it's probably at least a foot wide. Add the crookedness to the width of the line and you get a margin of error of over a yard. It's a bizarro universe that allows him to say anything he wants about the actual play.

The actual play, the PLANE of the lateral is 1. Completely parallel with the hash marks, and 2. Completely precise -- no foot wide "buffer zone" like Junc drew.

When you go back to the play and allow these two things relative to the field there's only one conclusion: Illegal forward pass.

Now, does that mean the officials would have called it? No. I've seen officials do replays where there is indisputable evidence -- CLEAR evidence -- which they ignore. And later, the league comes out and says, "Oops. Sorry!" but the win/loss record doesn't get changed. Happens all the time.

And to those people saying this discussion doesn't matter, it DOES MATTER. It speaks to the integrity of the game and the lack of trust in officials. Anyone who doesn't think that officials in today's game change the outcome of games -- every week -- with judgment calls and nonexistent game-changing chunk plays every week -- well, they ain't being honest. Nor observant. And it generally favors the same teams. NE and Brady have lived with the officials in their hip pocket for years.

LD
 
LDaniel7 said:
Not to mention how wide Junc drew the line on his pic. Not only is it crooked -- but if you transpose that line onto the field (the width drawn on the pic translated to actual field size) it's probably at least a foot wide. Add the crookedness to the width of the line and you get a margin of error of over a yard. It's a bizarro universe that allows him to say anything he wants about the actual play.

The actual play, the PLANE of the lateral is 1. Completely parallel with the hash marks, and 2. Completely precise -- no foot wide "buffer zone" like Junc drew.

When you go back to the play and allow these two things relative to the field there's only one conclusion: Illegal forward pass.

Now, does that mean the officials would have called it? No. I've seen officials do replays where there is indisputable evidence -- CLEAR evidence -- which they ignore. And later, the league comes out and says, "Oops. Sorry!" but the win/loss record doesn't get changed. Happens all the time.

And to those people saying this discussion doesn't matter, it DOES MATTER. It speaks to the integrity of the game and the lack of trust in officials. Anyone who doesn't think that officials in today's game change the outcome of games -- every week -- with judgment calls and nonexistent game-changing chunk plays every week -- well, they ain't being honest. Nor observant. And it generally favors the same teams. NE and Brady have lived with the officials in their hip pocket for years.

LD
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that's very true...these guys decide games with crap calls all the time
 
The New Guy said:
That is another good look at it. Except that the line starts in front of where Ben released the ball, and the second line is drawn before Brown catches it. If they drew the line where Brown actually has the ball, it is even more clear that he is in front of where Ben released the ball.
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Valid points but hey at least the lines are straight god damnit! :lol:
 
LDaniel7 said:
Not to mention how wide Junc drew the line on his pic. Not only is it crooked -- but if you transpose that line onto the field (the width drawn on the pic translated to actual field size) it's probably at least a foot wide. Add the crookedness to the width of the line and you get a margin of error of over a yard. It's a bizarro universe that allows him to say anything he wants about the actual play.

The actual play, the PLANE of the lateral is 1. Completely parallel with the hash marks, and 2. Completely precise -- no foot wide "buffer zone" like Junc drew.

When you go back to the play and allow these two things relative to the field there's only one conclusion: Illegal forward pass.

Now, does that mean the officials would have called it? No. I've seen officials do replays where there is indisputable evidence -- CLEAR evidence -- which they ignore. And later, the league comes out and says, "Oops. Sorry!" but the win/loss record doesn't get changed. Happens all the time.

And to those people saying this discussion doesn't matter, it DOES MATTER. It speaks to the integrity of the game and the lack of trust in officials. Anyone who doesn't think that officials in today's game change the outcome of games -- every week -- with judgment calls and nonexistent game-changing chunk plays every week -- well, they ain't being honest. Nor observant. And it generally favors the same teams. NE and Brady have lived with the officials in their hip pocket for years.

LD
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there's no way the margin of error is a yard, it clearly isn't perfect but it gives a good look at how damn close the play was.
 
nyjunc said:
there's no way the margin of error is a yard, it clearly isn't perfect but it gives a good look at how damn close the play was.
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Agreed it was a close play. That was never the argument here. A close play is still a play and it's in our opinions here that it was a forward pass.
 
nyjunc said:
there's no way the margin of error is a yard, it clearly isn't perfect but it gives a good look at how damn close the play was.
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It may not be a yard, but there IS a margin of error built into your recreation -- maybe it's a foot instead of a yard. But one centimeter is enough to make it a forward pass. Break the plane forward, forward pass.

LD
 
LDaniel7 said:
It may not be a yard, but there IS a margin of error built into your recreation -- maybe it's a foot instead of a yard. But one centimeter is enough to make it a forward pass. Break the plane forward, forward pass.

LD
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Those hash marks are 3 feet apart, so a line starting behind one hash mark at the bottom of the field and ending up in front of that hash mark on the top of the field is wrong by at least a foot.
 
Another thing that needs talked about is Ben's fumble on the last drive. It should have at least been reviewed. The ball LOOKS out from the broadcast angle. As soon as the coaches film comes out (tomorrow) I'm gonna check it out.

LD
 
LDaniel7 said:
Another thing that needs talked about is Ben's fumble on the last drive. It should have at least been reviewed. The ball LOOKS out from the broadcast angle. As soon as the coaches film comes out (tomorrow) I'm gonna check it out.

LD
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I never went back and looked at that. It will be interesting to see better angles of it to see if it actually did come out.
 
Doesn't anyone here have NFL gamepass with the High Endzone camera angle or the All-22 camera angle that can lend some other camera insight?!


I'm ALMOST tempted to pay for it just to see an alternative image sequence...
 
Never say die said:
Doesn't anyone here have NFL gamepass with the High Endzone camera angle or the All-22 camera angle that can lend some other camera insight?!


I'm ALMOST tempted to pay for it just to see an alternative image sequence...
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I do, but that film comes out tomorrow. Have to wait.

LD
 
i bet the officials would have said they blew it dead...brett vfavre was famous for fumbling while going to ground and some official running in and standing over him and pointing down marking it dead down by contact...famous for it

not everyone gets that call either...only certain privileged ones...hopefully one day tannehill is amongst em
 
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