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Once and for all, IT WAS A FORWARD PASS!

Awsi Dooger said:
The odds of Brown essentially running himself out of bounds are extremely low, if not next to nothing. How often do you see that, a skill player running by himself and stepping on the sideline? After all, the gap between Brown and Clemons is much greater than the distance of the forward lateral. Not even close. Brown has at least two feet separation on Clemons and even if he's going to contact Clemons it's hardly a certainty that Clemons will nudge him out.
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The gap between clemons and brown was 2 feet and the forward lateral was less than that? huh? That lateral was 5 yards easy.

Thank god clemons was there because if he wasn't, the odds of brown having to toe the line were extremely low. Steelers almost got lucky.

By the way , congrats on the jets victory yesterday.
 
PhinzN703 said:
I said as the play was going on it was a forward lateral. Want to know how I can tell? Look at #76 for Pittsburgh. He's right next to Rapeberger. The only way for Rapeberger to throw a lateral around #76 would be to throw it forward (since he can't throw it through him).
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except Ben's arm goes around him, it appears he was slinging that ball and you can see it is going backward or on a straight line. It was incredibly close, it's one of those deals where if called good on the field theyt can't overturn or if called illegal on the field they can't overturn.
 
My concern was all the players that stopped playing. Just in that shot alone....Odrick, Wake, OV, Carroll are basically stopping completely. Why weren't more players deep? Once Brown got down the sidelines you just knew no one was gonna get him.

And yes, that does look like a forward pass to me.
 
nyjunc said:
it is pretty much at the exact same spot the ball was released, there's no way that would have been overturned if he didn't step out.

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Next time you might want to use an illustration that has straight arrows to make your point.
 
PhinzN703 said:
Next time you might want to use an illustration that has straight arrows to make your point.
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you do notice the camera angle in both still images, right? they are straight w/ regards t the field of play.
 
Then he should have thrown a flag. Since he did not I don't think the indisputable visual evidence is there


Heisenphin said:
Thing is it was forward. Look at the ref standing on the 31 yard line. Watch him look at the release on the 32 and then turn his head forward to watch the catch at the 33. You also can't accurately draw that line on the screen
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it was a forward lateral...although with nfl officiating that doesn't mean they would have got it right had they gone under the hood for a look...brown floored me though when he didn't cut it back across the field when he had a hips athlete at stiff as chris clemons in that much space...cut it back across and he walks in

forward lateral though by berger all the way
 
The thing that kills me is that Miami had one time out left. Everyone in the stadium knew what was coming -- except for the Dolphins D, evidently.

It was the worst D ever played on a last second lateral scrum. I know this: I've never seen a worse D for that kind of play.

If the D is prepared, the lateral BS is not hard to stop. The D wasn't prepared.

Totally coaching, imo. This and the end of the first half -- Philbin really needs help in stuff like this. It's like he has no clue. Amazing.

LD
 
I am upset about the lack of effort. Brown stepping out of bounds was lucky. next time our defense needs to tackle the guy with the ball, that's a lesson they need to take to heart we got lucky this time.


but I do agree forward lateral and the offense wasn't set. the game should have ended with a Miami win and it did
 
nyjunc said:
except Ben's arm goes around him, it appears he was slinging that ball and you can see it is going backward or on a straight line. It was incredibly close, it's one of those deals where if called good on the field theyt can't overturn or if called illegal on the field they can't overturn.
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Around him? Is he Mr. Stretch from the Fantastic Four?

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nyjunc said:
you do notice the camera angle in both still images, right? they are straight w/ regards t the field of play.
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They are not straight. The first arrow isn't close to straight.
 
PhinzN703 said:
Around him? Is he Mr. Stretch from the Fantastic Four?

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They are not straight. The first arrow isn't close to straight.
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watch the clip, it's pretty clear

it is straight in relation to the yd lines
 
you don't call a timeout there...you just sacked the qb the clocks ticking down you don't want to give them time to set it up...you play it like we did...you just do a better job shutting it down when they go to it...

our clock management late in that game on offense running 3 straight times was correct and so was the way they let the clock run for the final play...hell i dont think one of those wrs maybe it was #88 i saw who wasn'tset for a full second before the snap could have called a penalty for that and game over after the 10 second run off...

now the decision to kick a fg at the end of the half instead of go for it on 4th down was a terrible one...worst decision philbins made clock management since he got here...you go for that all day long
 
On the initial look it was a forward lateral. It seemed so cut and dry I wasn't even that concerned as Brown looked like he would score. But when I went back and looked at it a frame at a time it was much closer, essentially a pick 'em. Anyone who thinks it was obvious hasn't looked at it closely enough.

On a play like that you usually don't see the officials intervene. Unless it's to call P.I. that favors the Patriots, that is. You would hope that Philbin has absolutely tore into the defense for almost allowing it to end that way. I'm picturing 70's Shula here, how apparently he was a miserable SOB about mistakes even when the team won. Mistakes like this have to be stomped out. How you address them is if anything more important than how you address big, obvious errors. It sets the tone.
 
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