Please Trade Back

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  1. Jssanto

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    Most of the articles seem to agree regarding our needs- OL, DT, LB, TE, QB to groom, and safety or corner.
    It seems to me that to do even some of this we need more picks. I hope we trade back to the 20s and receive one or two picks.
     
  2. NBP81

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    Some of those needs are purely backup related to some extent... Urgent needs are LB, TE and maybe FS if the team decided they now want a true FS, which wasnt the case the first 2 seasons of the regime.
     
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    I don't mind trading back slightly, but at the same time do we trade back so far that we miss out on potentially picking up a player like Fitz or Edmunds? No! The dolphins need multiple picks like an additional second and third which would be sweet.
     
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    Really hard to just say trade back when you don’t even know who is still on the board at 11 etc.

    Just keep in mind also that just because you trade back to acquire and extra pick that does not mean you will end up with two quality starters vs one- or one special player at 11.
     
  5. J. David Wannyheimer

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    I'm a fan of trading back depending on how the board falls, but as he says, you need a willing trade partner to make it happen.
     
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    Please don’t and draft a stud at 11. But if we do no lower than 15.
     
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    Yeah, it all depends on the scenario but I am not against it in theory.

    There appears to be about 7 or 8 elite (non QB) prospects and then a drop for the next 15 or so. I keep hearing their is little-to-no separation in this class from 22 to 52. If I can pick up a top 52 pick without dipping below 19 or so, I certainly would.

    Every year there is a player that outperforms players taken ahead of him in their rookie year. It happens all the time at at every position. That's the sort of players this FO needs to identify in rounds 2-5.

    Something like the Saints did in 2017 would be a miracle. They got a top corner in the 1st as well as a starting RT. A top notch free safety in the 2nd. Rookie of the year RB in round 3 as well as a LB who ended up starting 4 games and is the projected WLB starter in 2018.

    They had a lot of ammo but they maximized the selections with great talent at positions of need. We can only hope.
     
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    If we don't get twitchy there will be a great player at #11. If Tannenbaum panics and starts throwing draft capital around like it's water (see the Caroo trade) I'm going to be pissed. If Gase is running things, like I suspect, we will see a cerebral, deliberate draft. I see us coming away with a LB, TE and QB in the first 3 rounds, just can't say what order.
     
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    Trading back hardly ever works for us... We give up an elite player for more middling players. With all the QBs going early there will be some blue chippers there at 11. Take one of the stud LBs and fix this defense once and for all.
     
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    I'm ok trading back but not till we're on the clock and see wo's there
     
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    Yes, agreed with everyone who said wait and see who's there first. I would hate to miss out on a blue chip prospect.
     
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    I was listening to Sirius Radio the other day and it might have been Gil Brandt who said there are usually around 15 legitimate first rounders in most drafts.

    So, for me, it depends how the draft falls. Miami is devoid of elite talent IMO and if they can get someone elite that makes sense. Those players can move the needle the most. New England has shown that you don't need a lot of elite players, but having one at quarterback sure has helped them. With so many quarterbacks expected go early, maybe even Mason Rudolph and Lamar Jackson, those top 15 could be there in the first 20 picks. If the Dolphins can trade down and still get a top talent, why not? If not, stay at #11.

    Would love to have an additional 2nd rounder, though. Lots of talent there. Miami's second round targets could include Jefferson at LB, Harrison at S, Brown at RT, quite a few of the tight ends, definitely some running backs. Phillips at DT maybe.
     
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    No thanks, I think we’re in the sweet spot
     
  14. Jssanto

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    If we count 4 QBs, OG Nelson, DE Chubb, Ss/FS/CB Fitzpatrick, and RB Barkley, that totals 8. So one of Vita Vea, Smith and Edmunds has to be available at 11. Are they that good to take vs trading down and still getting a 1st round DT, OL?
     
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    I’d rather trade up. Have 2 picks and one be an ALL-Pro, then have a bunch of average bodies on your football team.
     
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    I also have less confidence in our trade up abilities. Did we not trade up for Deon Jordan and Caroo?
     
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    OP: Did you think Koa Misi and Jared Odrick were great players?
     
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    What does it matter? Are those two entering the draft again? No.
     
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    So much for losing 8 of our last 10 games to get a better draft spot.
     
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    I'm inclined against it. If, as most expect, 4 QBs, Chubb, Barkley, James go above, say, top 10, there will be a top talent at #11. That will not be true in the 20's.
     
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    If we can trade with GB, we could possibly double dip. Trade down twice.
     
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    Hell no. Stand pat and take the blue chip defender. I don’t want another Earl Thomas vs Odrick/Misi fiasco. Quality over quantity.
     
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    There is about 9 or 10 elite level players in this draft. If you have one at 11, unless someone is giving up a kings ransom, you stay there and get yourself an elite level prospect. If we were 13-15 I would agree.
     
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    It goes without saying that ALL of us want more picks and ALL of us want to keep the 11th pick at the same time.

    If your going to be a team that trades back it needs to be a long term philosophy rather than something you just decide to do 9 before the draft.

    Without knowing who's available at 11 and what offer's your receiving, it's a moot point one way or the other.

    Keep in mind our biggest single need is a TE and that won't come in the first round, a trade down might ensure they get their TE in the 2nd round. All scenario's will be in play for Miami at 11.
     
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    Well you can’t bash on trade ups because those players aren’t entering the draft again.

    Also, every year that draft is full of Koa Misi’s and Odricks. Average players who get overdrafted.
     
  26. miamiron

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    People say "History repeats itself"
    Anyone remember the 2010 draft when we traded back with San Diego

    We moved from #12 to #28 (missing out on a future hall of fame safety)

    • San Diego's first-round pick (28th overall—used to select Penn State defensive end Jared Odrick)
    • San Diego's second-round pick (40th overall) Koa Misi
    • San Diego's fourth-round pick (126th overall)
    • Linebacker Tim Dobbins
     
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    We even messed that up. If we only lost one more game…

    Just because that happens once, doesn't it mean it has to happen like that again. Maybe it was just bad drafting. After all, there are good pics throughout the draft it's up to the front office to make the right pick. So far I've been happy with Greer and Gase's drafts. Yeah, so far the Carroo pick has not worked out, but nobody hits on every pick.
     
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    And the same could be said for those drafted in the top 10 as well. So it was a ridiculous suggestion.
     
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    I've read some opinions that there are only about 20 true first round talents in this draft. If so, I think it's a bad idea to trade into the 20s. Either trade back twice or stay in the top half.

    Trading back twice is risky. You have to be pretty confident the guys you want are going to fall , but if you pull it off it can be a tremendous draft. I think the best bet Is probably staying at 11. Not only do you get a true first round talent but you're probably getting a better player than the 11th best because of all the quarterbacks that are going to be going in the top 10.
     
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    I wouldn't mind trading back and grabbing Lamar Jackson, if the team is enamored with him (which I don't know if they are or not).

    Otherwise, stay the course at 11.
     
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    I don't think they are enamored with any QB's who's first name isn't Josh or Ryan.
     
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    Baker?
     
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    I think this is a case when you love picks more than players. It's a gamble to trade up or down before knowing what's available at the pick.

    I recommend not jumping the gun and having some patience. Wait until you know what you have until selling it. Anyways, we're talking Tannenbaum here. He's more likely to trade up than trade down (unless it's with his former intern turned jedi master Howie Roseman wanting to get another marquee player like Wentz).
     
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    Guys, there's no guarantee with any player. For those saying we can't move down because we won't get a good player after 11, we don't know that. You can get a great player in any round and at any spot. Like I said before, if a player you really like at 11 is there then fine, take him. But if you feel there's not much difference from the players left on the board at 11 then moving down is fine. There's good value in the 2nd and 3rd rounds of this draft so having an extra pick could really help us. When it comes to t-dumb, I'd rather move back than move up
     
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    When I have time yes but I prefer to just buy fresh made pastries at the grocery store. I am a Griller.

    I stick to what I know, it may field better results.
     
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    So don't trade back because of Misi and Odrick deal. Don't trade up because of Dion Jordan. Don't pick where we're slated because people weren't happy with Vontae Davis, Tedd Ginn or Jason Allen. So basically we should just bypass the process all together based on past results. I don't think should make a decision in 2018 based on how somebody elses decision in the past turned out. If you want to move up move up. If you want to trade back trade back. But I think it's silly to make aor move or not make a move based on how players in a prior draft turned out.
     
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    There are no guarantees or sure things in any pick. We can only hope that they turn out to be what we hoped for or better. Top picks have been busts, and lesser picks have been exstrodinay players. It's all a crap shoot!! Trade back and get as many chances as you can to throw the dice...
     
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    Great post here. Some people just want to have it both ways. You're darn if you do and you're darn if you don't. We need to see who's there and how does each player falls on your board. You can't draft based on what's happen before
     
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    Thank you.

    That 2010 draft was arguably the worst draft in the modern era of NFL football and EVERYONE wanted Earl Thomas.
     

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