Pretend Ricky never retired..........

[taylorj99]

ricky is not a bad person...just because you have morals it doesn't obligate you to dislike him blindly...

This statement is contradictory. You imply that Ricky does not have morals, yet say he is not a bad person. I don't think it's really about morals, or being a good or bad person. It's about keeping your word. He made a commitment to the Dolphins, ALL of their fans, and most importantly, his teammates. He broke that commitment and that is why everyone is still leery of his return.

 

[Omaha_Dolfan]

His fans only see the athelte and not the man. Maybe that's should be all that we see in sports, and kick all sense of morality and integrity to the side. Right now I will not do that, I guess it's the way I was brought up, so I will support and cheer for the team, but not the player.

I think this is a very good reason for disliking Ricky, only problem is most people that want to use it are using it sparingly and only on the players that pissed em off.

What about good ole McMike for smacking his wife in public for one. Yet how many people are screaming for his extension. In my opinion smoking a little marijuana is a lot less offensive than smacking your wife.

 

[DrAstroZoom]

Enigmatic let it go...

You will not get a 100% approval rating. The bottom line is that people still see Ricky as God's gift to the Dolphins. When in reality he has not won anything for us, or with us. He is just an above average RB that gave us a little spunk to our running game.

I do not approve of Ricky's "Medley," which I will call his story, but some are of fans of the man and the "idol" that Dave gave us. I don't like what he did and still doing to my team. His fans only see the athelte and not the man. Maybe that's should be all that we see in sports, and kick all sense of morality and integrity to the side. Right now I will not do that, I guess it's the way I was brought up, so I will support and cheer for the team, but not the player.

Dave gave us the story line that Ricky was the missing piece to Post Season sucess and it backfired on him and us fans of the team...

He was the best RB in 2002, and got us to 9-7...

He got us 1200+ yards in 2003 and got us to 10-6...

Both years we missed the Post Season, but I guess some of us still are listening to Dave saying that he is the missing piece; like we trust Dave's coaching style and decisions...

I appreciate the way you phrased your post (no surprise there :D ), but I still disagree with the notion that supporting Ricky's comeback is "kicking all sense of morality and integrity to the side."

 

[Disnardo]

ricky is not a bad person...just because you have morals it doesn't obligate you to dislike him blindly...

I don't know if this was meant for me, but I do not hate Ricky... I do not like his actions and the outcome of them.

And concerning moral views, and integrity, those are the rules set forth in the game and in life. He broke one of them 2 times and got caught, he knew full well his moral obligations, it's in the contract he signed. So, for all athletes in the NFL there are moral obligations, its not what I want from him, it's what the NFL expects from them.

Ricky broke that trust more than once...

 

[Phin-o-rama]

This statement is contradictory. You imply that Ricky does not have morals, yet say he is not a bad person. I don't think it's really about morals, or being a good or bad person. It's about keeping your word. He made a commitment to the Dolphins, ALL of their fans, and most importantly, his teammates. He broke that commitment and that is why everyone is still leery of his return.

what about the verbal commitment made to ricky about restructuring his contract? what about the verbal commitment of revamping the offense so he wouldn't carry the ball 375 times a year.

all im saying is in this world there is good and bad....ricky has done nothing to make him evil or a bad person right? my other point addresses the impression i get from the people bringing morals into it and i am not saying that is wrong but it sounds like they feel committed to disliking him because they want everyone to know they have morals too....it makes sense to me but maybe in text the meaning got misconnstrued.

DR ASTRO ZOOM....i dont think enigmatics could handle a debate with you and he obviously is hiding at this point.

 

[Geauxfins]

Who are you enigmatics? What are your vices? Do you smoke? Do you drink a lot? Are you addicted to internet porn? You know they say that 85% of people who spend significant amounts of time posting on forums are addicted to internet pornography and I see that you currently have over 2,000 posts on this forum alone. How many other forums do you post on? Does your wife or girlfriend know about your problem whatever it may be? Are you ashamed of your habit? Or, maybe you dont have any problems....maybe you are the perfect individual. You, sir, are an example for the rest of humanity. That is what gives you the NARDS to sit in your computer chair ( are you at work posting these comments? that would be dishonest man!!) and tell others how to make the right decision in every situation. The nerve!

Careful now, please don't lump people that really, really like internet porn in with a loser like RW:yell: Some of us don't appreciate that!!

 

[Phin-o-rama]

I don't know if this was meant for me, but I do not hate Ricky... I do not like his actions and the outcome of them.

And concerning moral views, and integrity, those are the rules set forth in the game and in life. He broke one of them 2 times and got caught, he knew full well his moral obligations, it's in the contract he signed. So, for all athletes in the NFL there are moral obligations, its not what I want from him, it's what the NFL expects from them.

Ricky broke that trust more than once...

my post wasn't solely directed towards you but i admit one of your posts contributed to it....you are right he did break rules put into place by the nfl and the us govt. but i dont know if that counts as being immoral....ill let God decide that one.

 

[Disnardo]

I appreciate the way you phrased your post (no surprise there :D ), but I still disagree with the notion that supporting Ricky's comeback is "kicking all sense of morality and integrity to the side."

Doc, I love reading, your posts, and I don't think I have ever disagreed with anyone of them :D

What I meant is that Ricky did sign a contract and in that contract you know that there are rules and guidelines. He and all the other players have a moral obligation to uphold that contract.

Once any player decides to break these rules, they are in a sense "kicking morality to the side," for their own agenda.

Again, I am honor to get a responce from the Doc

 

[Scrap]

I'd be less angry than I was when he talked smack on 60 Minutes. But I've opened my eyes, and looked at it differently since then..

I also have an anxiety disorder. (Not S.A.D.) I have come to understand why he quit. IMO, the guy felt like he let his team down, and didn't know what to do. Running away (in his eyes) seemed like the easiest (and basically the only) option available. Most of you don't realize the effects having an anxiety disorder can have on your train of thought. Sometimes the littlest things can seem like they are so stressful. (Heck, I used to get stressed out over when I was at the store, and they were out of a brand of an item I would usually get. Deciding which brand to get in it's place would sometimes take 10-15 minutes, because I wanted to get something that would satisfy everyone in my house. You've all got your right to choose whether or not to forgive him. I'm looking at it from another angle now, and I do forgive him.

I've done something similar to what Ricky did. (Nothing drug related, and certainly nothing I'm going to go into detail about right now.) Was it the right thing to do? No way. It did feel like the only thing I could do to avoid a nervous breakdown though.

 

[Disnardo]

my post wasn't solely directed towards you but i admit one of your posts contributed to it....you are right he did break rules put into place by the nfl and the us govt. but i dont know if that counts as being immoral....ill let God decide that one.

Maybe your right about this...

But it still my opinion, but if you break a contract...

Immoral as per Dictionary.com

immoral

adj 1: violating principles of right and wrong [ant: moral, amoral] 2: not adhering to ethical or moral principles; "base and unpatriotic motives"; "a base, degrading way of life"; "cheating is dishonorable"; "they considered colonialism immoral"; "unethical practices in handling public funds" "a perverted sense of loyalty"

So how do you see it now?

 

[Phin-o-rama]

the great thing about this whole thing is ricky is getting another shot....to make it right if only in his eyes....we owe him a chance to do that, and fortunately doing that is a win/win situation.

i was so furious when he quit last year as we all were, but i am welcoming him back at this point. i really just hope he does it the right way.

 

[HelloMotto]

You didn't answer the question........obviously dodging it..........

ricky was smoking weed because of a medical/mental condition. He could no longer take the side effects of his present medication(i think paxil) so he starting taking an alternate drug (which happens to be illegal) (thats another debate) to acheive the same effect as his first drug but with out the side effects. I think ricky made some bad decisions. But he wasn't just smoking weed to smoke weed. there was a reason. I think this yoga he is now into is another remedy that is legal for his medical/mental condition. With yoga he will no longer need the weed or paxil. Forgive and forget. Move on.....

 

[Avalanche of Wins]

this has no bearing on your thread im sorry, but dr astro, those spinners are sick, but i think skape needs to chrome them for you.

 

[pigskinguy]

...........let's clear our minds for a moment and pretend Ricky never retired. Training camp kicks off and everything's in full gear. A couple weeks before Week 1 is set to begin, you read on the bottom of ESPN's sportsticker that Ricky Williams has been suspended by the NFL for the 2004-2005 season for testing positive twice for mairjuana............

Now how do you feel about the man?

This question is mainly aimed at those who quickly want to forgive the man, especially in the name of a few 100 yard games or a few extra wins. Alot of you easily forgive him, without an apology at all (which is ironic) ........

Common sense tells me that had the media circus not ocurred and all of that babble Dan LeBetard created in the media about Ricky, nearly every single Dolphin fan would've considered Ricky a deadbeat for kicking Paxil in order to resort to weed and put our whole season in jeopardy. Not to mention Ricky wasn't going to be around for the 2004 season no matter how you spin it, retirement or drug habit........ I do believe the majority of you "forgivers" have been fooled by the Jedi Mind tricks of a man who's unwilling to admit his wrongdoings and has forever considered himself an innocent, unique snowflake..........a true manipulator into making people feel sorry for him, even when he's done wrong.

So let's hear it...........again, season's about to begin, we're all excited..........and then Ricky gets suspended........what say you?

Great. Another I hate Ricky thread. Get over dude. He's on the team again, learn to deal with it..........Or go cheer for the Jets. Or Bills. Or Pats.
I am willing to give him another chance. You're not. We're all clear on that. Let's please move on. :sleep:

 

[Phin-o-rama]

Maybe your right about this...

But it still my opinion, but if you break a contract...

Immoral as per Dictionary.com

immoral

adj 1: violating principles of right and wrong [ant: moral, amoral] 2: not adhering to ethical or moral principles; "base and unpatriotic motives"; "a base, degrading way of life"; "cheating is dishonorable"; "they considered colonialism immoral"; "unethical practices in handling public funds" "a perverted sense of loyalty"

So how do you see it now?

your right also...this is definitely a very tough subject to debate. but in a way maybe the dolphins front office was immoral by not following through with the promises im sure they made ricky. bah thats a lame point...ive run out of material atm lol...