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Pro and Con list of Tuanigamanuolepola Tagovailoa

SF Dolphin Fan said:
Right. There were a lot of opportunities there. Take those free yards, Tua!
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If you remember in that patriot game last year he won with his legs by doing it

But he doesn’t do it enough, He watched Fitz first hand do this at a high level I hope he remembers

You see their backs turned and the gap, you do it, don’t care if there is pressure or not, you plant that seed
 
With all my defence mechanisms in high alert on every Tua post........

They were ringing loudly when I tried to see what words you were creating in his name......as I could not find any I started to slap myself for being such a Tua supporter when I realized that this must be his real name.

I did have to look it up to confirm.....

New past time for me is to figure out how to pronounce it and spell it as I will never be abbreviating his name again....this is my penance for being so ignorant.

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Not as bad as this I guess
 
So you felt the urge/need to add the whole "Tuanigamanuolepola Tagovailoa" instead of just Tua to look more credible? Lol
 
warren4prez said:
The analysis you provide is interesting, but I disagree that his accuracy is at the top level. This is false, and Tyreek Hill didn't make things easier for Tua by saying he was more accurate than Mahomes. In terms of accuracy, it's the trait that puts QBs in a class of their own by placing the ball on the numbers, or only where the receiver is. At the beginning of the training camp, Tua said the following:


"I sat down with the head coach and we went over about 150 clips of throws," he said. "Throws that need to be better, throws that were good, all sorts of throws. The reason as to why he showed me that is it transitions to the way he kind of schemes up the offense. Really, the biggest thing for us is YAC (yards after catch). We want to YAC the heck out of teams."

https://www.nfl.com/news/dolphins-q...t-feel-more-pressure-after-offseason-upgrades

Tua even acknowledged that ball placement was an area of focus during his interview when he talked about ball placement by putting the ball in front of the receiver, so I am confused about why you would say his accuracy is top-notch.
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What do you see in this puff piece that tells you Tua isn't accurate?.

The interview posted in your link says absolutely NOTHING about accuracy. Doesn't even mention it anywhere in the piece. the video literally is Tua saying he has been working on his footwork (Mentioned by the OP that it needs work) and that he feels no added pressure due to our recent signings.

Every QB has bad throws and throws he would like a do over on. Its never perfect and Tua has hurdles to overcome but Accuracy isn't one of them.
 
RobertHorry said:
After rewatching every snap of his from rookie year and last year. Wanted to put a list of his pros and cons from my own point of view. Everyone may have a different view, but thought to post them.

PROS
  • Top level pocket presence. Can move in and out of the pocket with finesse and usually is always feeling pressure before it gets there. Rarely gets sacked even though he has one of the worst lines in NFL history.
  • Very decisive when he makes a decision. Doesn't question himself and throws with confidence when he understands and knows the ask of the scheme and the defense he's going against.
  • Extremely instinctual and can read defenses presnap at a high level. Knows how to attack different leverages and coverages.
  • Sneaky athletic and can get cheap first downs with ease.
  • Very aggressive downfield passer, even though media doesn't believe it and his offense didn't allow it last season because of Flores, the offensive line and lack of weapons. Even his OC said they cant go deep because the o-line can't protect.
  • Accuracy is top level.
  • When he is able to play point guard on offense, choosing exactly where to go with the ball based on his eyes and instincts, he's on fire.

CONS

  • Very VERY inconsistent with his footwork and mechanics over last two years. Which is the opposite of him at Bama, when he had some of the most pure footwork and mechanics. His faulty mechanics and footwork at times leads him not to use his lower body to transfer his weight to throw and then he has to use all arm, which make throws sail over the middle or sometimes not get to the target.
  • Sometimes locks into his presnap read and falls in love with it. Needs to do a better job of adapting post-snap when the presnap look changes post snap. Gets him into trouble. And he has to fix this.
  • As a result of being overaggressive with the ball, he will try to force balls in windows downfield when he can take the easier route underneath. It got to the point where the offensive scheme last season rarely had anyone going deep and when they did he would try and force it because his natural instinct is to go downfield and deep.
  • Makes a few bonehead decisions, which are a result of him locking into his presnap reads and being overaggressive.
  • Sometimes will not rush for the first down when its there and instead try a throw and it'll fall incomplete.
  • In the RPOs, he would tend to lean into the P of the play when he needed to hand it off based on the reads. He wanted to move the ball downfield so badly that he would try and overcompensate with throwing the ball as much as possible instead of relying on the run game.
  • Wasn't trusting his eyes and wouldn't let it rip in the beginning of the season. As the season went on he did start trusting it more.
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If Tua can get his mechanics and footwork back to what it was at Bama, he will shine. He was one of the most aggressive downfield passers in NCAA history. You don't just lose that when you go to the NFL. It's a combination of not trusting his hip, not trusting his coaches, and not trusting his receivers and skill players. He needs to go back to that version of himself.

And I think with better coaching he will stop locking onto presnap reads and trust his eyes more. Which again will result in Bama Tua.

It's just crazy when people say Tua can't go deep or downfield. That was literally his game at Alabama mixed with intermediate and short passing.

He doesn't have the strongest arm in the NFL but you don't need that if you have accuracy and anticipation at a high level.

All in all, he needs to hone his mechanics, footwork, and keep getting better with his presnap and postsnap reads. He needs to trust his ability and coaching, which the last 2 years was the worst possible environment to do that.
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I believe his hip injury legit affected him through 2021, not to mention coaching.

The mechanics and footwork will come back. One does not simply forget who they were at Alabama.
 
The Goat said:
I believe his hip injury legit affected him through 2021, not to mention coaching.

The mechanics and footwork will come back. One does not simply forget who they were at Alabama.
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At Alabama he had 5-7 seconds to throw the ball on almost every down. He was also throwing to wide open track stars on most plays. Watching him these last two years it’s clear to me that he doesn’t have an NFL body and he doesn’t have an NFL arm.

I know I’ll get dismissed as a cynic but it’s clear watching the games and no amount of coaching will change anything.
 
Casas9425 said:
At Alabama he had 5-7 seconds to throw the ball on almost every down. He was also throwing to wide open track stars on most plays. Watching him these last two years it’s clear to me that he doesn’t have an NFL body and he doesn’t have an NFL arm.

I know I’ll get dismissed as a cynic but it’s clear watching the games and no amount of coaching will change anything.
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He had an atrocious line at Alabama his last two years.
 
Casas9425 said:
At Alabama he had 5-7 seconds to throw the ball on almost every down. He was also throwing to wide open track stars on most plays. Watching him these last two years it’s clear to me that he doesn’t have an NFL body and he doesn’t have an NFL arm.

I know I’ll get dismissed as a cynic but it’s clear watching the games and no amount of coaching will change anything.
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Why are you still here?
 
RobertHorry said:
After rewatching every snap of his from rookie year and last year. Wanted to put a list of his pros and cons from my own point of view. Everyone may have a different view, but thought to post them.

PROS
  • Top level pocket presence. Can move in and out of the pocket with finesse and usually is always feeling pressure before it gets there. Rarely gets sacked even though he has one of the worst lines in NFL history.
  • Very decisive when he makes a decision. Doesn't question himself and throws with confidence when he understands and knows the ask of the scheme and the defense he's going against.
  • Extremely instinctual and can read defenses presnap at a high level. Knows how to attack different leverages and coverages.
  • Sneaky athletic and can get cheap first downs with ease.
  • Very aggressive downfield passer, even though media doesn't believe it and his offense didn't allow it last season because of Flores, the offensive line and lack of weapons. Even his OC said they cant go deep because the o-line can't protect.
  • Accuracy is top level.
  • When he is able to play point guard on offense, choosing exactly where to go with the ball based on his eyes and instincts, he's on fire.

CONS

  • Very VERY inconsistent with his footwork and mechanics over last two years. Which is the opposite of him at Bama, when he had some of the most pure footwork and mechanics. His faulty mechanics and footwork at times leads him not to use his lower body to transfer his weight to throw and then he has to use all arm, which make throws sail over the middle or sometimes not get to the target.
  • Sometimes locks into his presnap read and falls in love with it. Needs to do a better job of adapting post-snap when the presnap look changes post snap. Gets him into trouble. And he has to fix this.
  • As a result of being overaggressive with the ball, he will try to force balls in windows downfield when he can take the easier route underneath. It got to the point where the offensive scheme last season rarely had anyone going deep and when they did he would try and force it because his natural instinct is to go downfield and deep.
  • Makes a few bonehead decisions, which are a result of him locking into his presnap reads and being overaggressive.
  • Sometimes will not rush for the first down when its there and instead try a throw and it'll fall incomplete.
  • In the RPOs, he would tend to lean into the P of the play when he needed to hand it off based on the reads. He wanted to move the ball downfield so badly that he would try and overcompensate with throwing the ball as much as possible instead of relying on the run game.
  • Wasn't trusting his eyes and wouldn't let it rip in the beginning of the season. As the season went on he did start trusting it more.
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If Tua can get his mechanics and footwork back to what it was at Bama, he will shine. He was one of the most aggressive downfield passers in NCAA history. You don't just lose that when you go to the NFL. It's a combination of not trusting his hip, not trusting his coaches, and not trusting his receivers and skill players. He needs to go back to that version of himself.

And I think with better coaching he will stop locking onto presnap reads and trust his eyes more. Which again will result in Bama Tua.

It's just crazy when people say Tua can't go deep or downfield. That was literally his game at Alabama mixed with intermediate and short passing.

He doesn't have the strongest arm in the NFL but you don't need that if you have accuracy and anticipation at a high level.

All in all, he needs to hone his mechanics, footwork, and keep getting better with his presnap and postsnap reads. He needs to trust his ability and coaching, which the last 2 years was the worst possible environment to do that.
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Oh my....here we go again...

CONS (that were omitted)

Proven lack of prototypical size for the NFL QB position
Proven lack of durability
Proven athletic limitations, slow heavy footed (I suspect this had alot to do with his lower body injury history)
Proven lack of arm strength (I know, the hip, however pre-injury bama tape didn't disprove this point). There is no way in Hades does anyone to trust him on a 15-20 out pattern. His deep ball reminds me more of a punt due to hang time and rainbow.
Proven lack of ability to play in harsh weather (see Tennessee game for clarity)
Proven functionality only when everything is going right in the play.
System QB (RPO gimmick offense is his ideal fit with emphasis on horizontal passing attack and between the hash marks)


PROS (That were omitted)
Character (he is good kid) who will not embarrass the franchise ala Watson.
Mental Toughness (kept his mouth shut about Flores when 99% of players today would have been whining to Omar.)
Decent release speed.
Decent processing speed on his progressions when he doesn't lock on to a receiver.
 
Mr Fan said:
Oh my....here we go again...

CONS (that were omitted)

Proven lack of prototypical size for the NFL QB position
Proven lack of durability
Proven athletic limitations, slow heavy footed (I suspect this had alot to do with his lower body injury history)
Proven lack of arm strength (I know, the hip, however pre-injury bama tape didn't disprove this point). There is no way in Hades does anyone to trust him on a 15-20 out pattern. His deep ball reminds me more of a punt due to hang time and rainbow.
Proven lack of ability to play in harsh weather (see Tennessee game for clarity)
Proven functionality only when everything is going right in the play.
System QB (RPO gimmick offense is his ideal fit with emphasis on horizontal passing attack and between the hash marks)


PROS (That were omitted)
Character (he is good kid) who will not embarrass the franchise ala Watson.
Mental Toughness (kept his mouth shut about Flores when 99% of players today would have been whining to Omar.)
Decent release speed.
Decent processing speed on his progressions when he doesn't lock on to a receiver.
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You forgot proven coach killer

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Mr Fan said:
Oh my....here we go again...

CONS (that were omitted)

Proven lack of prototypical size for the NFL QB position
Proven lack of durability
Proven athletic limitations, slow heavy footed (I suspect this had alot to do with his lower body injury history)
Proven lack of arm strength (I know, the hip, however pre-injury bama tape didn't disprove this point). There is no way in Hades does anyone to trust him on a 15-20 out pattern. His deep ball reminds me more of a punt due to hang time and rainbow.
Proven lack of ability to play in harsh weather (see Tennessee game for clarity)
Proven functionality only when everything is going right in the play.
System QB (RPO gimmick offense is his ideal fit with emphasis on horizontal passing attack and between the hash marks)


PROS (That were omitted)
Character (he is good kid) who will not embarrass the franchise ala Watson.
Mental Toughness (kept his mouth shut about Flores when 99% of players today would have been whining to Omar.)
Decent release speed.
Decent processing speed on his progressions when he doesn't lock on to a receiver.
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Terrible post. Literally nothing you posted makes sense
 
Mr Fan said:
Oh my....here we go again...

CONS (that were omitted)

Proven lack of prototypical size for the NFL QB position
Proven lack of durability
Proven athletic limitations, slow heavy footed (I suspect this had alot to do with his lower body injury history)
Proven lack of arm strength (I know, the hip, however pre-injury bama tape didn't disprove this point). There is no way in Hades does anyone to trust him on a 15-20 out pattern. His deep ball reminds me more of a punt due to hang time and rainbow.
Proven lack of ability to play in harsh weather (see Tennessee game for clarity)
Proven functionality only when everything is going right in the play.
System QB (RPO gimmick offense is his ideal fit with emphasis on horizontal passing attack and between the hash marks)


PROS (That were omitted)
Character (he is good kid) who will not embarrass the franchise ala Watson.
Mental Toughness (kept his mouth shut about Flores when 99% of players today would have been whining to Omar.)
Decent release speed.
Decent processing speed on his progressions when he doesn't lock on to a receiver.
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Completely agree.
 
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