Rank Tannehill Among Young QB's?

[tylerdolphin]

It's more of an indication that you can't accept an INDIVIDUAL analysis, because they're on a good/bad team. Tannehill WAS better than Brady last year...but the Patriots were far better than the Dolphins.

Smack Brady a few times, the wheels fall off. Smack Tannehill a few times, he shows no negative signs from it...unless injured. Why try so hard to not believe your team's QB is quality, in spite of directly relevant evidence? Are you that stuck on your football wizardry? Do you get paid for it?

Holy ****

:sidelol:

Brady aside, the Pats were an awful offensive team last year, as far as talent goes. Brady had no targets most of the year. No really good RBs. But anyway, carry on being completely ****ing delusional.

 

[rob19]

It's more of an indication that you can't accept an INDIVIDUAL analysis, because they're on a good/bad team. Tannehill WAS better than Brady last year...but the Patriots were far better than the Dolphins.

Smack Brady a few times, the wheels fall off. Smack Tannehill a few times, he shows no negative signs from it...unless injured. Why try so hard to not believe your team's QB is quality, in spite of directly relevant evidence? Are you that stuck on your football wizardry? Do you get paid for it?

Tannehill better than Brady

 

[Gonzo]

Look, I still have faith that Tannehill can get his **** together this season (though if he doesn't, it's time to move on in the next draft, regardless of excuses), but Tannehill better than Brady? I'm out.

 

[slk018]

Luck, Wilson, Newton, CK, Ryan, Flacco

Stafford is an idiot
Bradford is not that good
Dalton is the reason Cincy will never make a deep playoff run
I'm not an RG3 fan at all

It would be really interesting who Lazor prefers deep down, Foles or Tannehill. On finheaven it's a no brainer but I'd be curious to know what he really thinks in reality. Basicially I wonder if he feels he's working with a better or worse QB now than he had last year. I think that would be very interesting.

I agree with this but I am not on the Kapernick bandwagon. SF wins the sb last yr with Alex Smith IMO

 

[Zounds]

Making the case that Kaepernick is a decent QB right now is easy by looking at his stats and record. The problem is that when you look at the long term sustainability of his play, it isn't there. He's making plays with his legs, and playing with an excellent running game, defense, and all around supporting cast. When you take this guys running game away, and the 49s are playing from behind, he struggles mightily. He cant win in the air or playing from behind, and eventually that will catch up to him. And I'm not even factoring in the injury element - he is a tough player but his style of QB play with no doubt get him inured at some point.

 

[So Be]

Ryan Tannehill finished with a better PFF rating than Brady. Josh McCown rated better than Brady and Rodgers.

In 2010, Brady rated as the 33rd best player. Right between Antoine Winfield and Matt Birk.

If thats not a clue as to what a joke of a ratings site PFF is, I dont know what to tell you.

I don't think you know enough about PFF for your opinion. They do not rank players based on grade other than the position they play. Their writers do give opinions on who they think are te best players every year but, has noting to do with what PFF does for a living.

Last year, they have Brady and Rogers over McCown overall but, not by much.

PFF grades and ranks around 1500 players a year. Going back to 2010 for something that does not apply is a compliment to them. :)

 

[So Be]

As we go through this series, it’s important to understand the relationship between QB Rating (NFL’s version) and PFF Grade.

While QB Rating is obviously supposed to be a QB statistic, it’s actually a better gauge of what the entire offense did in a given situation. This is the type of information that is actually extremely valuable to our NFL team customers as their game planning efforts must go towards stopping an entire passing offense, not just the quarterback.

If the quarterback throws an easy dump off pass to the RB who then weaves through the defense for the touchdown, it’s certainly not a great indicator of quarterbacking skill as it is the running back and defense accounting for the majority of the work on the play. Of course the QB Rating will look quite shiny in that situation.

On the other hand, PFF Grade is a good indicator of how well the quarterback actually performed in a given situation. Whether they throw an accurate pass that was dropped, or perhaps an inaccurate one that should have been intercepted and the defense dropped, the PFF grade will account for those situations with a positive and a negative grade respectively while QB Rating will simply reflect the 0-for-1 passing.

It’s important to distinguish between QB Rating and PFF grade, though there’s a good chance they’ll match up in most situations.

This is something to consider from PFF.

Also, you have to understand that their overall grade includes a QB running as well as passing. If you go by their grade and rank in passing alone, Brady is ahead with a 20.9 grade to Tannehill's 19.8, and ranked above RT. FWIW

 

[roy_miami]

I appreciate what PFF does and as they get more data I think it'll become better and better but as of right now some of their PFF grades relative to the passer rating statistics are just bizarre, so at least for the QB position their grades are pretty much meaningless to me.

 

[nyjunc]

like any stats people need to sue PFF and these other sites as part oft he evaluation process. B/c they rank player x here or player y there doesn't mean that is really how good or bad they are. Their #s are useful when looking at the entire picture just as any stats are. You cannot evaluate a player based solely on stats.

 

[So Be]

I appreciate what PFF does and as they get more data I think it'll become better and better but as of right now some of their PFF grades relative to the passer rating statistics are just bizarre, so at least for the QB position their grades are pretty much meaningless to me.

That's fair but which ones do you think are bizarre? It is possible that you have seen overall grades without breaking them down.

 

[So Be]

like any stats people need to sue PFF and these other sites as part oft he evaluation process. B/c they rank player x here or player y there doesn't mean that is really how good or bad they are. Their #s are useful when looking at the entire picture just as any stats are. You cannot evaluate a player based solely on stats.

Agree on part of an evaluation but, PFF does not use stats, just what they see in watching players and plays.

 

[Zounds]

I appreciate what PFF does and as they get more data I think it'll become better and better but as of right now some of their PFF grades relative to the passer rating statistics are just bizarre, so at least for the QB position their grades are pretty much meaningless to me.

The reason that they are bizarre is that there are no former players, coaches, scout, and anyone with any credibility doing the evaluations. You are going to get bad data when you have 50 different fans analyzing players 50 different ways. PFF is great for quantifiable data, such as snap counts, completions, ect....but when PFF starts adding the human element, like evaluating "pressures" and who's fault a blocking or coverage breakdown was, thats when it gets bizarre and you get very misleading rankings/grades.

 

[Elle Clouds]

It's all legit and on the PFF site there Sparky...get over yourself.

What about using your own brain + evidence to formulate an opinion?

 

[So Be]

What about using your own brain + evidence to formulate an opinion?

Do you believe your opinion on Dolphins players play would change if you watched 10 hours of film on a game or, stay the same?

 

[roy_miami]

That's fair but which ones do you think are bizarre? It is possible that you have seen overall grades without breaking them down.

Tannehill ranked 7th in passes 11-20 yards with a PFF grade of 8.0 and a passer rating 79.6, they have him ahead of 7 QBs with a passer rating 100+, and they have Aaron Rodgers 19th on the list with a PFF grade 1.1 and a passer rating of 132. The great Aaron Rodgers whose passer rating is second in that category yet PFF has him ranked as 19th best? Bizarre.