So how does it work now w/ Ireland? Does he get another 4 yr term like the President?

[Spesh]

Err so you think while the Tuna was here he honestly allowed anyone to make the final call on anything involving the Miami Dolphins? Honestly dude, if you think that you have no freaking clue about the Tuna.

The only ppl making excuses, are the Ireland bashers. You all are a bunch of Parcell apologist IMO. Get your head of the sand, pls!

Already set up your excuse for next season:

"How is it Irelands fault?!?! He doesnt have full control! He answers to Ross so its not his fault! If Jeff Ireland was owner, this team would never lose!"

 

[Fish-Head]

Here, this is how it worked, and I know you know this but your personal agenda against the Miami Dolphins blinds you from admitting what is plain to see.

Ireland was essentially the head talent scout for the Dolphins when the Tuna was here. Meaning he did the footwork, and the Tuna made the final decision. I don't think that is a HUGE leap in logic for anyone who isn't blinded by their personal agenda.

But go ahead, continue to think while the Tuna was here he didn't have the final say. There's a lot of ground for ppl like you to stick their heads into.

All right if we are going to play the game of 'reading between the lines' why not go all the way??? So you think Ireland was a glorified scout and yes man who in all likeliehood picked up Tuna's laundry and brought the donuts and coffee to the boardroom meetings... Fair enough.. Tuna is a control freak... So the direction of the team and the philosophies are all on Tuna.

So one might assume that Jeff wunderkind might have actually LEARNED a lesson or two while watching Tuna train wreck the franchise right? Like Maybe how important the QB position is... Like maybe Jake Long might not have been the best call... But hey what's done is done and... Tuna did it ALL. Then Penny steps in and orchestrates the greatest franchise turnaround in NFL history... So NOW Ireland must have realized the importance of a QB after watching what merely MODEST QB play did for the franchise RIGHT UNDER HIS FREAKING NOSE. Right??? I mean Jeff is doing NOTHING but watching...

But wait!!! We had Henne and the supposed STRENGTH of Ireland is talent evaluation right??? Except it takes Jeff Wunderkind the ENTIRE LENGTH of Henne's rookie contract to decide what he was or wasn't... And Instead in his first draft AFTER THE TUNA he tinkers with the 'trenches' and ignores the skill positions... A decidedly TUNA-like approach... After all it is so convenient for the apologists to lambaste Tuna on one hand and then mysteriously forget that Ireland is a hand picked, like-minded protege.

Now once again... Jeff's STRENGTH is talent evaluation right? So in comes Odrick and Irish moves a pro bowler in Starks OUT of DE and puts him at Nose in order to make room for his injury prone ROOKIE spanking new toy... But wait... Didn't we have Soliai in house already??? So much for talent evaluation... Couldn't we have let Odrick DEVELOP before we throw him to the wolves..? Since DE was a position of STRENGTH with Starks?? Apparently not since Jeff is too excited to prove how smart he is... Then Odrick gets hurt (shocker) and Jeff in one fell swoop has demolished two positions and 3 players... Sassy Jeff... Really sassy. Oh and btw in that same draft just for fun he anointed Misi the STARTER before he had taken an NFL snap... Tell me that doesn't REEK of Tuna-like ego.

Then last year when the entire PLANET knows we need a QB BAD... We get another OLineman... Sweet Georgia Brown. Who does that sound like to you??? I'll give you a hint, it rhymes with 'Luna'... Yessir... The man with the enormous waistline and ego to match... Big Billy Parcells. So according to you Jeffrey has had two free years to simply WATCH and yet has shown ZERO indication that he learned ANYTHING other than to stick to the Parcells blueprint that even YOU admit is outdated... And you want me to stand up and salute. Awesome.

 

[ohall]

All right if we are going to play the game of 'reading between the lines' why not go all the way??? So you think Ireland was a glorified scout and yes man who in all likeliehood picked up Tuna's laundry and brought the donuts and coffee to the boardroom meetings... Fair enough.. Tuna is a control freak... So the direction of the team and the philosophies are all on Tuna.

So one might assume that Jeff wunderkind might have actually LEARNED a lesson or two while watching Tuna train wreck the franchise right? Like Maybe how important the QB position is... Like maybe Jake Long might not have been the best call... But hey what's done is done and... Tuna did it ALL. Then Penny steps in and orchestrates the greatest franchise turnaround in NFL history... So NOW Ireland must have realized the importance of a QB after watching what merely MODEST QB play did for the franchise RIGHT UNDER HIS FREAKING NOSE. Right??? I mean Jeff is doing NOTHING but watching...

But wait!!! We had Henne and the supposed STRENGTH of Ireland is talent evaluation right??? Except it takes Jeff Wunderkind the ENTIRE LENGTH of Henne's rookie contract to decide what he was or wasn't... And Instead in his first draft AFTER THE TUNA he tinkers with the 'trenches' and ignores the skill positions... A decidedly TUNA-like approach... After all it is so convenient for the apologists to lambaste Tuna on one hand and then mysteriously forget that Ireland is a hand picked, like-minded protege.

Now once again... Jeff's STRENGTH is talent evaluation right? So in comes Odrick and Irish moves a pro bowler in Starks OUT of DE and puts him at Nose in order to make room for his injury prone ROOKIE spanking new toy... But wait... Didn't we have Soliai in house already??? So much for talent evaluation... Couldn't we have let Odrick DEVELOP before we throw him to the wolves..? Since DE was a position of STRENGTH with Starks?? Apparently not since Jeff is too excited to prove how smart he is... Then Odrick gets hurt (shocker) and Jeff in one fell swoop has demolished two positions and 3 players... Sassy Jeff... Really sassy. Oh and btw in that same draft just for fun he anointed Misi the STARTER before he had taken an NFL snap... Tell me that doesn't REEK of Tuna-like ego.

Then last year when the entire PLANET knows we need a QB BAD... We get another OLineman... Sweet Georgia Brown. Who does that sound like to you??? I'll give you a hint, it rhymes with 'Luna'... Yessir... The man with the enormous waistline and ego to match... Big Billy Parcells. So according to you Jeffrey has had two free years to simply WATCH and yet has shown ZERO indication that he learned ANYTHING other than to stick to the Parcells blueprint that even YOU admit is outdated... And you want me to stand up and salute. Awesome.

I don't think it, I know it. Pat White being the 100% proof of that. The Tuna picked Pat White, which is the main reason the Tuna was pushed out over Ireland. If Pat White was Ireland's pick, he'd be gone, not the Tuna.

You all can keep ignoring the obvious, it's kind of funny to me.

 

[Fish-Head]

I don't think it, I know it. Pat White being the 100% proof of that. The Tuna picked Pat White, which is the main reason the Tuna was pushed out over Ireland. If Pat White was Ireland's pick, he'd be gone, not the Tuna.

You all can keep ignoring the obvious, it's kind of funny to me.

Seriously THAT is all you got from my post??? Talk about AVOIDING the argument... The apologists propensity for convenient argument has truly hit new heights.

The point is NOBODY cares if Ireland wasn't in charge... Seriously... But STOP using it as some sort of argument in favor of the man... In your mind if he can't be blamed for any of the MISTAKES in those first two years he can neither likewise be CREDITED with any of the good moves either... NONE.

My point is that... as you LOVE to point out... Jeff Ireland was doing nothing in those years and has shown that he has also LEARNED NOTHING from that time... He is Tuna 1.0... You guys LOVE to bash Tuna and yet 'conveniently' avoid the fact that Ireland is cut from the same cloth.

 

[ohall]

Seriously THAT is all you got from my post??? Talk about AVOIDING the argument... The apologists propensity for convenient argument has truly hit new heights.

The point is NOBODY cares if Ireland wasn't in charge... Seriously... But STOP using it as some sort of argument in favor of the man... In your mind if he can't be blamed for any of the MISTAKES in those first two years he can neither likewise be CREDITED with any of the good moves either... NONE.

My point is that... as you LOVE to point out... Jeff Ireland was doing nothing in those years and has shown that he has also LEARNED NOTHING from that time... He is Tuna 1.0... You guys LOVE to bash Tuna and yet 'conveniently' avoid the fact that Ireland is cut from the same cloth.

That's all I cared to address. I decide what I respond to, not you. You want to get into some kind of argument, I'm simply trying to redirect you to the freaking point.

 

[Spesh]

I don't think it, I know it. Pat White being the 100% proof of that. The Tuna picked Pat White, which is the main reason the Tuna was pushed out over Ireland. If Pat White was Ireland's pick, he'd be gone, not the Tuna.

You all can keep ignoring the obvious, it's kind of funny to me.

Ignoring the obvious like how it was Ireland who decided to kept Henne instead of drafting a quarterback like Andy Dalton? Or ignoring the fact that Ireland wanted to trade for Kyle Orton and give him a 3 year $27 million contract?

Ignoring those sort of obvious situations?

 

[phintim]

Spesh yuo give QB's rookies 2-3 year to develop if they show anything. Henne showed something but not enough. Ireland ran out of picks last year to grab Mallet before the Pats did and he admitted it. The running back was a must pick. Ireland does pick safe but solid in the first round and gambles more in the second and you see where that gets us when he reaches for those picks, he actually does better in the 1st and rounds than in that 2nd round.

 

[lbsfinest]

Spesh yuo give QB's rookies 2-3 year to develop if they show anything. Henne showed something but not enough. Ireland ran out of picks last year to grab Mallet before the Pats did and he admitted it. The running back was a must pick. Ireland does pick safe but solid in the first round and gambles more in the second and you see where that gets us when he reaches for those picks, he actually does better in the 1st and rounds than in that 2nd round.

he didnt run out of picks, he could've traded up for Mallet instead of trading up for the 4th or 5th best RB in the draft, that was just another in the long list of dumb picks by our GM.

 

[hemidemon]

Ireland is as much a lame duck this year as Sparano was going into last season.

You wish.

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he didnt run out of picks, he could've traded up for Mallet instead of trading up for the 4th or 5th best RB in the draft, that was just another in the long list of dumb picks by our GM.

Almost every GM in the NFL passed on Mallet 4 times. Why is idiot for this?

 

[Irishfinfan1]

Ignoring the obvious like how it was Ireland who decided to kept Henne instead of drafting a quarterback like Andy Dalton? Or ignoring the fact that Ireland wanted to trade for Kyle Orton and give him a 3 year $27 million contract?

Ignoring those sort of obvious situations?

I think all this Ireland bashing is very simplistic. To me the job of the GM is to get the type of players the coaches want. Last year with our 1st pick Dalton was nowhere near rated that highly by most people, we took the BPA at 16 in Pouncey. Our picks after that the aim was to build up depth at RB with Ronnie and Ricky leaving, and after that to develop a bit more speed on offense. I'm not sure how you can bash Ireland on that.
This off season we are clearly following Green Bay's model of building mostly through the draft with low key free agency signings, again following Philbin's philosophy. I think you will find our draft will represent the type of players Philbin wants, this was why Marshall was traded away. Overall Ireland is a good GM, clearly QB is an issue but lets just wait and see what happens in the draft.

 

[Spesh]

Spesh yuo give QB's rookies 2-3 year to develop if they show anything. Henne showed something but not enough. Ireland ran out of picks last year to grab Mallet before the Pats did and he admitted it. The running back was a must pick. Ireland does pick safe but solid in the first round and gambles more in the second and you see where that gets us when he reaches for those picks, he actually does better in the 1st and rounds than in that 2nd round.

No, he didnt. If he wanted Mallet, if he thought Mallet was a franchise quarterback, why pass on him twice? He had every chance in the world to get Mallet...but choose not to and then tried to get cute to save face. Running back is NOT a "must pick", as you just saw we replaced Thomas with a running back we spent a 6th round pick on and recently resigned a running back we signed when he was cut from the Texans.

Jeff Ireland is suppose to be some genius GM according to some on this forum. He had years of college tape on Henne and 3 years of tape on Henne in the pro's. People on this forum had seen enough of Henne and made a more accurate conclusion than Jeff Ireland did. So why should Ireland get paid millions and millions of dollars when he has proven he cant do his job as well as "arm chair GM's"?

Your not going to hear me give Ireland credit for hitting on first round picks. Your suppose to hit on those picks. Its expected, especially with some of the safe or no-brainer type picks that Ireland has taken. Its also expected that he hits on second round picks...but he hasnt done that in 4 years.

 

[Spesh]

I think all this Ireland bashing is very simplistic. To me the job of the GM is to get the type of players the coaches want. Last year with our 1st pick Dalton was nowhere near rated that highly by most people, we took the BPA at 16 in Pouncey. Our picks after that the aim was to build up depth at RB with Ronnie and Ricky leaving, and after that to develop a bit more speed on offense. I'm not sure how you can bash Ireland on that.
This off season we are clearly following Green Bay's model of building mostly through the draft with low key free agency signings, again following Philbin's philosophy. I think you will find our draft will represent the type of players Philbin wants, this was why Marshall was traded away. Overall Ireland is a good GM, clearly QB is an issue but lets just wait and see what happens in the draft.

Outstanding. So now the coach is in charge. Does Jeff Ireland ever get held accountable for anything?

Its a Gm's job to create a winning team. Its a Gm's job to obtain talented players. Schemes are easier to build than entire rosters. Good front offices realize that you work with what you have instead of tearing the entire thing to the ground. Compare what Mike Tomlin(a 4-3 lover) did with the Steelers to what Cam Cameron did to the Dolphins.
If Jeff Ireland is passing on talented players because of pressure from the coach, he deserves to be fired. If he really had Mike Pouncey rated higher then a pro-bowl quarterback, he deserves to be fired. If he felt that securing the run game was more important than securing the passing game, he deserves to be fired. Everyone is sitting here debating "when" he screwed up, when instead they should be focused on the fact that he "did" screw up.

This entire "he was following a plan" thing is absolutely absurd. Has anyone ever asked themselves if Ireland's plan was any good? Jeff Ireland is not a good Gm because he has not done his job: which is to build a winning roster.

 

[cljh19]

He gets 2 more yrs atleast.

Ireland isnt bad, Parcells wasnt the worse we had in the last 10 yrs.

I can only pray Philbin isnt another Wanny/Sparano. We have talent, we just need to get the most out of em!

I know Brandon Marshall changes the dynamics of this team, but his TD totals can be replaced.

 

[ohall]

Ignoring the obvious like how it was Ireland who decided to kept Henne instead of drafting a quarterback like Andy Dalton? Or ignoring the fact that Ireland wanted to trade for Kyle Orton and give him a 3 year $27 million contract?

Ignoring those sort of obvious situations?

Never heard of that before. All I've heard is Ireland wasn't going to give Orton any kind of starters money, which is why he didn't get traded to the Dolphins.

I'm not ignoring anything. Again, it's the Parcell's ppl who are ignoring all kinds of things.

 

[2413fanphins]

I'd prefer he get about 4 more minutes...

he's had at least a hand in the last four or five years or whatever, and we just keep regressing.