Still missing Lamar Miller?

[Phinatic8u]

I agree with everything you said Gonzo, but Ajayi doesn't have a history of knee problems.

He hurt his knee once at Boise early in his career and that's it if I remember correctly.

Miller was/is banged up more than Jay is.

 

[GasPed]

Based on the almighty stats you guys are relying on, how is the 5th best RB in the league at the moment not worth the 6th most amount of money, keeping in mind that he's only the 6th highest paid because he has the newest contract and will certainly move down that list as others are re-signed next offseason? Plus, I bet he would have stayed for a little less than that, pushing him even further down that list.

Talent costs money in the NFL and when you have the opportunity to keep homegrown talent for a reasonable price (Miller vs Vernon), you do it. Well, at least good teams do.

I wasn't actually using the almighty stats, but I'm willing to give it a shot: At this moment we have a homegrown RB who's 7th best in the league (1st based on ypc) at the 100th most amount of money. I think that's a pretty good deal.

 

[Gonzo]

I agree with everything you said Gonzo, but Ajayi doesn't have a history of knee problems.

He hurt his knee once at Boise early in his career and that's it if I remember correctly.

Miller was/is banged up more than Jay is.

Surgically repaired right knee with potential bone involvement. Certainly not saying he's injury prone, but it is a history. Regardless, even if he didn't have a history, him keeping up this pace without injury would be an anomaly in today's league, especially with all the contact he takes and dishes out. It's fun to watch, but teams need starter-level RB depth, and not just change of pace backs like Williams and Drake. Fact is, this team is better with Ajayi and Miller (and the two previously mentioned, which would still be here) than without. The only way I can see that not being the case is if that money was spent shoring up some other deficiency. It was not.

I do understand the arguments that have to do with his talent, though I strongly disagree having actually watched that terrible team. I do not, however, understand the arguments regarding the money. Makes no sense (only one person got the pun last time I knew I could count on you Vaark).

 

[Gonzo]

I wasn't actually using the almighty stats, but I'm willing to give it a shot: At this moment we have a homegrown RB who's 7th best in the league (1st based on ypc) at the 100th most amount of money. I think that's a pretty good deal.

So you're saying we could have had the 5th AND 7th best RBs on the same team? That sucks! Adds up to 13th best!

 

[finbully]

I've watched plenty of Houston this season so I'm aware of said (almighty) context. From what I see, Miller is still not a player who can consistently carry his respective team (A reason for being under-utilized in Miami? Maybe.). He's had one legitimate performance this year against a crap defense. Is he capable of making big plays? Yes. Is he a bell-cow? No. As for projecting how his salary would affect our cap, we could have gotten away with it this year, definitely. But what about next year when he's getting 6.5M, and the following two years of 6.75M and 7M. He went somewhere where he knew he was going to be the "featured back" with "20" carries a game and get paid like it.

As for this stat thing, that was in response to somebody else using stats to legitimize a point of view. In the context of this thread, I was trying to show how moot stats can be since just before kick-off Monday night, Miller was averaging below 4 ypc. After the game, where he had little to no impact, his ypc was above 4. Who cares, but i guess this is my hill to die on.

 

[LostInPatsLand]

Behind this line and in Gase's system, he would be dominant and a fantastic compliment to Ajayi, and this is with the benefit of hindsight.

It would have been difficult keeping Ajayi and Miller happy. Both wanted to be the alpha RB. Now we have Ajayi as the alpha RB, with the underrated Williams who could fill in, and Drake who has looked good running the ball and who could serve as that complement to Ajayi, that Miller would have been, for a fraction of the price.

Edit: The staff is very high on Williams, too.

Second edit: I thought it was a mistake when we let go of Miller at the time, but the front office knew more about the situation than I do, and right now, they are looking good.

 

[GasPed]

So you're saying we could have had the 5th AND 7th best RBs on the same team? That sucks! Adds up to 13th best!

Sadly, that might be true (if we had them both right now, we might well be 13th best).

 

[PhinSoldia]

i honestly dont care if he wanted back in Miami or not. Im not going to argue this one down.

I dont think Miller is good, and Ajayi has alot of room to grow, but its clear that the coaching staff went to Ajayi repetedly because he was doing well. I dont think If we had Miller it would have been the same. The most frustrating part of the first few weeks of the season was seeing the carousel at RB and i think it would have been the same crap.

Kudos to Gase for changing and continuing to change his perception of the running game and how we used Ajayi

 

[Gonzo]

I've watched plenty of Houston this season so I'm aware of said (almighty) context. From what I see, Miller is still not a player who can consistently carry his respective team (A reason for being under-utilized in Miami? Maybe.). He's had one legitimate performance this year against a crap defense. Is he capable of making big plays? Yes. Is he a bell-cow? No. As for projecting how his salary would affect our cap, we could have gotten away with it this year, definitely. But what about next year when he's getting 6.5M, and the following two years of 6.75M and 7M. He went somewhere where he knew he was going to be the "featured back" with "20" carries a game and get paid like it.

As for this stat thing, that was in response to somebody else using stats to legitimize a point of view. In the context of this thread, I was trying to show how moot stats can be since just before kick-off Monday night, Miller was averaging below 4 ypc. After the game, where he had little to no impact, his ypc was above 4. Who cares, but i guess this is my hill to die on.

Wait, so now you have watched Houston? Make up your mind. He's literally their only offense and is clearly holding up to being the "bell cow," so not sure why people keep saying he can't. That's exactly what he's doing. And now you're defending previous regimes' failure to utilize him? Not sure you want to hitch your wagon to those guys.

As for the salary increases each year, you do realize the salary cap is going up, right? That's why teams are usually willing to structure escalating salaries like that. Despite that, I bet he falls out of the top ten RB salaries or close to it this offseason. Would have had little impact on anything the team wants to do salary cap-wise. Also, hope you never use the phrase "keep our talent," using that logic. Vets get paid.

 

[Gonzo]

Sadly, that might be true (if we had them both right now, we might well be 13th best).

We would have a top rushing offense (overall) and scary multifaceted threat of an offense. I don't really care where they each would fall in the stats rankings. The "less talent is more argument" is strange.

I like Williams too. 3 awesome running backs that bring different skills to the table? I'm convinced, that sounds terrible.

 

[Despacio]

Rather have more cap space for Gase to get the guys he wants and mold this team how he envisions.


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[finbully]

uhhh, why did i receive a private message that you quoted me?

 

[Gonzo]

Rather have more cap space for Gase to get the guys he wants and mold this team how he envisions.


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He wanted Miller and we didn't use the cap space. :idk:

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uhhh, why did i receive a private message that you quoted me?

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[Sons Of Shula]

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Echos the point made by some here.

 

[Fintastic2124]

I also think not having a qb teams are worried about is hurting him as well