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Tannehill, Gase & Tannenbaum: Epic Failures

Phinsguy said:
Yeah so we had an election with her....but she didn't win it so how did she lose it??? (light bulb moment for you!!!) - She competed for it much like RT competed for the QB job and LOST IT, LOST OUT ON IT, etc.

That's not my statement but again..wordplay....lose, lost and lost out are the same thing. To further be of help educating you on this please refer to:

https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/lose+out Pay close attention to #2 highlighted below -if yous till can 't make sense of it well then you're truly hopeless. This is my last post on this subject and I won't be replying to any more of your foolish responses....I'm right, you're wrong, deal with it...or better said...I won...you LOST (LOL).

lose out
1. To miss the chance or opportunity to do something. Because I was so sick last week, I lost out on the chance to seemy sister while she was in town. If you don't call the recruiter back right away, you're going to lose out.
2. To be defeated or bested by someone or something. In this usage, the phrase is often "lose out to (someone or something)." We'll lose out if we don't prepare well for the championship game. "I didn't get the job, but it sounds like I lost out to someone who was much more qualified."

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lose out

Definition of lose out
intransitive verb
: to fail to win in competition : fail to receive an expected reward or gain


https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/lose-out

lose out

— phrasal verb with lose UK /luːz/ US verb lost, lost

[ I ] to not have an advantage that others have

to not get something that you expected or wanted
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So she lost her job as President?
 
This is why some of us say negative things.
FinfanInBuffalo said:
LOL. top 12 in something..... like basket weaving..... or PASSER RATING. Sorry, the haters clearly said Tannehill would never get that high. Now, "they" try to deflect away from the fact that it happened........ or rationalize how or why it happened....... or why it is not important...... or "squirrel!!"
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Show me an example of a "hater" saying he would never get to 12th in passer rating over a season. There is nothing special about being 12th for one thing.
 
I hereby nominate this thread as the most controversial thread of the year. I don't care that it's only August....nothing is going to beat this. It has caused me to lose my faith in common sense throughout humanity. Good grief there are some insanely ignorant people in this world that run there existence on emotion. I've lost about 60 IQ points from reading the majority of these posts.

God love those #QBwinz delusional posters. There's just no helping them :wall
 
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Aqua ‘N Orange said:
Burke will go before Tannenbaum. They both will go before Gase.

I don’t think gase can wait til 2020 for a qb should tanny medically not work out.

He’s gonna have to get it in 2019 and produce in 2020.

And of course our luck is tbe qb class in 2019 looks no bueno

If I’m him tanny breaks down I sign bridgewater and draft a qb

Like the N.C. state kid

If this 18 class is as good as the 83 one the pressure will be on. And early returns I think it just might be
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With many experts believing Nick Bosa and Ed Oliver are can't miss prospects, a qb may be available if Tanny doesn't work out, I don't think we will suck enough for a top 5 pick though.
 
roy_miami said:
This is why some of us say negative things.


Show me an example of a "hater" saying he would never get to 12th in passer rating over a season. There is nothing special about being 12th for one thing.
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Precisely. The great poster cbrad on the other site researched the matter recently and found out that even Tannehill's touted 8 game stretch in 2016 wasn't anything special. It fell in line with the best 8 game stretch for other quarterbacks. The cherry picking types here were comparing the best run of games Tannehill ever had to the season ending numbers of other quarterbacks. Convenient.

I don't know if I'm considered a Tannehill hater. I hate that we ever drafted him because the possibility of this type of drag-on career was glaring before he ever put on an NFL uniform. I posted in the Draft Forum prior to that draft that I thought Tannehill's upside was 12th in the league. Through all the adjustments around here I've never seen anything to change my mind.

I have to say it is an improvement that some of the posters who would have avalanched this thread are gone. Otherwise we would have had non-stop screen captures asserting Philbin as the worst coach ever and Lazor as the worst offensive coordinator ever. That stuff was an insult but it was allowed to monopolize this forum far too long. We've been nothing but Crowd no matter who is coaching or playing yet somehow we managed Crowd despite all those bottom of the barrel coaches. Wow, that must have been quite the roster, especially with the important pieces.

Somehow I don't remember that.

Otherwise, I have no idea how Saban waiting until a halftime deficit of a national championship game to yank a sophomore in favor of an elite true freshman has any relationship to Tannehill's situation at Texas A&M. If Tannehill were considered elite or anything close then he would have played early and throughout his college career, possibly departing after three seasons. The parallel at Alabama is all those journeyman types who Saban has played at quarterback, and won huge with, including titles. Ryan Tannehill absolutely could have won national championships in that situation. Alabama talent level dictates outcomes. But none of those journeyman types was tipped toward NFL star. McCarron and McElroy were later round types.

Age does matter in draft prospects. That's one reason that Jim Coburn is currently light years my favorite draft analyst. In following this stuff for almost 50 years he is the first guy to astutely study age at every position and make it a major variable in his rankings. But in terms of college quarterbacks translating to the NFL the research has been done countless times. I've seen it for decades. The findings are always the same. The younger range fares best and there is a sucker quality to quarterbacks who are still in college at 23, especially if they have not been longtime starters. That was my objection to Ryan Tannehill. As always, I look at more-often-than-not. The Tannehill payoff almost certainly wasn't going to be top of the ladder, the projections toward greatness. On that other Dolphins site I saw a guy who apparently was a former scout liken Tannehill's upside to Aaron Rodgers. In fact, he has done it numerous times. That is glaring verification that scouting is primitive and overly subjective. He should have had it drilled into him before watching his first practice as a scout that age means a great deal with quarterbacks, and not to get carried away with arm, stature, accuracy and other physical qualities, if the age aspect is red flag. Something is wrong.

Here is the latest version of the age research. The sweet spot with quarterbacks is ones who enter the league after playing their final college season at age 21. Once you reach age 23 and older there is a decisive dropoff, especially if the quarterback has fewer than 35 college games under his belt.

https://www.numberfire.com/nfl/news/18979/nfl-draft-does-age-matter-for-quarterback-prospects

All of that seems self explanatory to me. Ryan Tannehill has actually done a very nice job performing above the level that would be expected of a player with his college background. But we made a poor choice in terms of value and upside. It has been a trend for far too long, including first round choices like JuWaun James and Charles Harris. That's largely why we are stuck in Crowd. Someone here the other day raved about Robert Quinn because the Dolphins finally understood value for a chance...Quinn worth more than a 4th rounder. Absolutely. Let's keep it up.

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* Yes, this does resemble an NYJUNC thread. I was extremely annoyed when someone beat me to that comparison. In the old days whenever a thread gained many pages in short order, it was guaranteed to be Vaark arguing with NYJUNC.

* Regarding the reference to Georgia governor, I don't have to know anything about the poster who first brought that up. I prefer him over the guy who apparently will become Georgia governor in a few months.
 
Awsi Dooger said:
Precisely. The great poster cbrad on the other site researched the matter recently and found out that even Tannehill's touted 8 game stretch in 2016 wasn't anything special. It fell in line with the best 8 game stretch for other quarterbacks. The cherry picking types here were comparing the best run of games Tannehill ever had to the season ending numbers of other quarterbacks. Convenient.

I don't know if I'm considered a Tannehill hater. I hate that we ever drafted him because the possibility of this type of drag-on career was glaring before he ever put on an NFL uniform. I posted in the Draft Forum prior to that draft that I thought Tannehill's upside was 12th in the league. Through all the adjustments around here I've never seen anything to change my mind.

I have to say it is an improvement that some of the posters who would have avalanched this thread are gone. Otherwise we would have had non-stop screen captures asserting Philbin as the worst coach ever and Lazor as the worst offensive coordinator ever. That stuff was an insult but it was allowed to monopolize this forum far too long. We've been nothing but Crowd no matter who is coaching or playing yet somehow we managed Crowd despite all those bottom of the barrel coaches. Wow, that must have been quite the roster, especially with the important pieces.

Somehow I don't remember that.

Otherwise, I have no idea how Saban waiting until a halftime deficit of a national championship game to yank a sophomore in favor of an elite true freshman has any relationship to Tannehill's situation at Texas A&M. If Tannehill were considered elite or anything close then he would have played early and throughout his college career, possibly departing after three seasons. The parallel at Alabama is all those journeyman types who Saban has played at quarterback, and won huge with, including titles. Ryan Tannehill absolutely could have won national championships in that situation. Alabama talent level dictates outcomes. But none of those journeyman types was tipped toward NFL star. McCarron and McElroy were later round types.

Age does matter in draft prospects. That's one reason that Jim Coburn is currently light years my favorite draft analyst. In following this stuff for almost 50 years he is the first guy to astutely study age at every position and make it a major variable in his rankings. But in terms of college quarterbacks translating to the NFL the research has been done countless times. I've seen it for decades. The findings are always the same. The younger range fares best and there is a sucker quality to quarterbacks who are still in college at 23, especially if they have not been longtime starters. That was my objection to Ryan Tannehill. As always, I look at more-often-than-not. The Tannehill payoff almost certainly wasn't going to be top of the ladder, the projections toward greatness. On that other Dolphins site I saw a guy who apparently was a former scout liken Tannehill's upside to Aaron Rodgers. In fact, he has done it numerous times. That is glaring verification that scouting is primitive and overly subjective. He should have had it drilled into him before watching his first practice as a scout that age means a great deal with quarterbacks, and not to get carried away with arm, stature, accuracy and other physical qualities, if the age aspect is red flag. Something is wrong.

Here is the latest version of the age research. The sweet spot with quarterbacks is ones who enter the league after playing their final college season at age 21. Once you reach age 23 and older there is a decisive dropoff, especially if the quarterback has fewer than 35 college games under his belt.

https://www.numberfire.com/nfl/news/18979/nfl-draft-does-age-matter-for-quarterback-prospects

All of that seems self explanatory to me. Ryan Tannehill has actually done a very nice job performing above the level that would be expected of a player with his college background. But we made a poor choice in terms of value and upside. It has been a trend for far too long, including first round choices like JuWaun James and Charles Harris. That's largely why we are stuck in Crowd. Someone here the other day raved about Robert Quinn because the Dolphins finally understood value for a chance...Quinn worth more than a 4th rounder. Absolutely. Let's keep it up.

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* Yes, this does resemble an NYJUNC thread. I was extremely annoyed when someone beat me to that comparison. In the old days whenever a thread gained many pages in short order, it was guaranteed to be Vaark arguing with NYJUNC.

* Regarding the reference to Georgia governor, I don't have to know anything about the poster who first brought that up. I prefer him over the guy who apparently will become Georgia governor in a few months.
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Can't say I agree with everything in this post but I like the insight and opinions backed up with facts & figures.
 
Awsi Dooger said:
Age does matter in draft prospects. That's one reason that Jim Coburn is currently light years my favorite draft analyst. In following this stuff for almost 50 years he is the first guy to astutely study age at every position and make it a major variable in his rankings. But in terms of college quarterbacks translating to the NFL the research has been done countless times. I've seen it for decades. The findings are always the same. The younger range fares best and there is a sucker quality to quarterbacks who are still in college at 23, especially if they have not been longtime starters. That was my objection to Ryan Tannehill. As always, I look at more-often-than-not. The Tannehill payoff almost certainly wasn't going to be top of the ladder, the projections toward greatness. On that other Dolphins site I saw a guy who apparently was a former scout liken Tannehill's upside to Aaron Rodgers. In fact, he has done it numerous times. That is glaring verification that scouting is primitive and overly subjective. He should have had it drilled into him before watching his first practice as a scout that age means a great deal with quarterbacks, and not to get carried away with arm, stature, accuracy and other physical qualities, if the age aspect is red flag. Something is wrong.

Here is the latest version of the age research. The sweet spot with quarterbacks is ones who enter the league after playing their final college season at age 21. Once you reach age 23 and older there is a decisive dropoff, especially if the quarterback has fewer than 35 college games under his belt.

https://www.numberfire.com/nfl/news/18979/nfl-draft-does-age-matter-for-quarterback-prospects
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This post points out the fatal flaw with line of thinking of the Vegas types. Just too much love for the historical research. They can't seem to get their head around the fact that the research is only useful for future predictions and even then only considers a portion of the overall information. That is why the predictions can be wrong. In this case, once the player is drafted and playing in the NFL, the predictions based on college are pointless.

Posts like this bring to mind an analogy of a guy in love with weather forecasting. He is standing on the corner in the pouring rain with no umbrella, telling the guy next to him "I've got a guy in Vegas. He said there is no way it is going to rain today." BTW, it was pouring when he left the house......
 
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FinfanInBuffalo said:
This post points out the fatal flaw with line of thinking of the Vegas types. Just too much love for the historical research. They can't seem to get their head around the fact that the research is only useful for future predictions and even then only considers a portion of the overall information. That is why the predictions can be wrong. In this case, once the player is drafted and playing in the NFL, the predictions based on college are pointless.

Posts like this bring to mind an analogy of a guy in love with weather forecasting. He is standing on the corner in the pouring rain with no umbrella, telling the guy next to him "I've got a guy in Vegas. He said there is no way it is going to rain today." BTW, it was pouring when he left the house......
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Exactly, they have to paint everything with broad strokes because historical data can't predict the outliers and anomalies. It won't tell you that Tom Brady will be one of the greatest ever. The data will tell you guys that are 6-5, 235lb with big arms from big schools and conference championships will do well in the pros, unless they are Ryan Leaf. A Vegas type can't enjoy surprises because it means they lose money. Of course, for the rest of us, these are the things that make it interesting.
 
FinfanInBuffalo said:
Tom Brady
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Has there ever been a player in Dolphins history that has been painted with so many outliers as Tannehill? There's probably an outlier to that question. Let's just hope he can finally become the qb we have been yearning for, all those outliers rolled up into one.
 
Daytona Fin said:
Has there ever been a player in Dolphins history that has been painted with so many outliers as Tannehill? There's probably an outlier to that question. Let's just hope he can finally become the qb we have been yearning for, all those outliers rolled up into one.
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It is because people keep trying to prove he can't play QB in the NFL by looking at the age he began walking, breast or bottle, and whether he wore cloth or disposables.
 
FinfanInBuffalo said:
It is because people keep trying to prove he can't play QB in the NFL by looking at the age he began walking, breast or bottle, and whether he wore cloth or disposables.
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Well than there is actually looking at what he has developed into the last 7 years and wonder how it so hard for some to believe that questioning his ability and consistency should be so hard to understand.. I mean if you can't even see why there is such a question that Fans have a right to express kind of says a lot of one's own evaluations.
Think the thought that walking, baby feeding, or type of undies as a baby might have a huge question mark on your perspective to think and apply that thought process on someone else as to the formation of one's opinion on the guys progress....

Personally this year is another test for him hope its successful but would be over joyed at putting a new QB at the top of our list of needs for next season (hey be also over joyed to be wrong and RT blows all our minds with consistency and effectiveness)....JMO...
 
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