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Tannehill Sucked Today

Sure we missed on some plays here and there, but that's going to happen with most qbs. BOttom line with me is we've played two games and the team/offense/defense /qb has done what's needed in each to hold two double digit 4th quarter lead and to get two wins. Sure they might need to do somethings different against better teams, but at this stage when playing the Jets and Titans just focus on doing what you need to do to win those games. If you can win with high percentage dinks and dunks and keeping the turnovers in check than focuse on the dinks and dunks.
 
The Tannehill divide.

If you're a fan of Tannehill then probably think Miami won in large part because of Tannehill and he had a good game putting up the following #s:

17-23, 168 yards, 2 TD...123.1 QB rating
44 yards rushing

If you're not a fan of Tannehill then probably think Miami won in spite of Tannehill and he had a poor game that included the following:

2 fumbles, one belonging in football follies
4 sacks for a loss of 46 yards
4.5 yards per pass attempt when factoring in pass yards minus sack yards
Miami offense totaling 257 yards
Offense scoring 20 total points including 0 in second half
Total QBR of 40.7 ranking him 23rd out of the 30 QBs qualifying yesterday

If you're neutral on Tannehill then probably think Miami's win was a team effort and Tannehill play fell somewhere in between the opposing views above.

I think he did what was needed to get win. That's all that matters. Didn't need him pressing the ball down the field and throwing for 300 yards.
 
Sounds like you need a hug :)

I didn't make an argument who's fault it was, just described the what appears to be the Tannehill divide.

If you are only using QB rating then you should be running right along side of me in that lap.

Never liked QB Rating either. Formed that opinion back when JAGs were getting better ratings that Marino.

And Im really good! My team is 2-0. Starting QB is back and playing well and we may have the DROY along with a great pick up in a position of need in Quinn.
 
Fannehill people will say hey we are 2-0 and excuse every mediocre trait this guy is still displaying in year seven. Oh yea, he’s still rusty. Truth is he is just ok. Not great, doesn’t completely suck. There are valid points to both sides but sometimes the overall gut instinct on a guy is very different from the stats and numbers. The numbers are solidly undebatable. But that impression of a guy that just can’t deliver the dagger, no killer instinct, the will to win, the imposing of will, pocket presence, the outsmarting and outplaying skill guys is not there. That is from the eyeball test. He doesn’t make your toes tingle, as the great Mandich would say. You can’t put that in a stat. He’s just ok. This team will expose him as being a weak link in time.
 
When you consider all the sex pervs, immoral cheaters, racists, spousal batterers and general douchebags that ESPN employs until they're outed, the unqualified and underqualified "talent" they've elected to retain and hire while laying off more qualified, tenured and professional talking heads, coupled with their frequent moralizing from shaky pulpits, it's exceedingly difficult not to consider any work product originating from them as being tainted from the fruit of a poisonous tree!
 
Passer Rating is a better metric than some made up ESPN garbage that you can't even calculate, examine, or critique for yourself.

One thing that I've always felt is a problem with the passer rating statistic is that I think it places too much weight on completion percentage. I think that yards per pass attempt, touchdown rate, and interception rate, are all more important when you try to determine whether or not a team has an effective passing game. With that said, I've also seen intelligent football people argue that a completed pass, even for three yards, still has value. The reasoning being that you force the defense to try to shed blocks and rally to the football. In other words, you tire the defense more with a completed pass, even if it's a crap pass, than when the ball hits the turf.

Ultimately, what really matters for team success in the passing game is touchdown rate and interception rate. You can look at any specific statistic for a team's passing game, but NOTHING has a higher correlation for regular season wins than the touchdown-interception rate differential. That is, touchdown % minus interception %. If you isolate that from the passer rating, it's more valuable than yards per attempt, completion percentage, or any of that other stuff. It means that you can get the ball in the end zone when you throw it, and that you aren't turning it over too much.

Right now, Ryan Tannehill's differential is a VERY good 3.9%. He's got an abnormally high touchdown percentage of 7.8% (that will go down) and a higher than usual interception rate of 3.9%. In two games, with Miami leading the league in rushing percentage, you can obviously say that's due to small sample size. But it's a good start. If our passing offense continues throwing touchdowns at a high clip, and avoids interceptions, the Dolphins will absolutely make the playoffs.
 
Passer Rating is a better metric than some made up ESPN garbage that you can't even calculate, examine, or critique for yourself.

One thing that I've always felt is a problem with the passer rating statistic is that I think it places too much weight on completion percentage. I think that yards per pass attempt, touchdown rate, and interception rate, are all more important when you try to determine whether or not a team has an effective passing game. With that said, I've also seen intelligent football people argue that a completed pass, even for three yards, still has value. The reasoning being that you force the defense to try to shed blocks and rally to the football. In other words, you tire the defense more with a completed pass, even if it's a crap pass, than when the ball hits the turf.

Ultimately, what really matters for team success in the passing game is touchdown rate and interception rate. You can look at any specific statistic for a team's passing game, but NOTHING has a higher correlation for regular season wins than the touchdown-interception rate differential. That is, touchdown % minus interception %. If you isolate that from the passer rating, it's more valuable than yards per attempt, completion percentage, or any of that other stuff. It means that you can get the ball in the end zone when you throw it, and that you aren't turning it over too much.

Right now, Ryan Tannehill's differential is a VERY good 3.9%. He's got an abnormally high touchdown percentage of 7.8% (that will go down) and a higher than usual interception rate of 3.9%. In two games, with Miami leading the league in rushing percentage, you can obviously say that's due to small sample size. But it's a good start. If our passing offense continues throwing touchdowns at a high clip, and avoids interceptions, the Dolphins will absolutely make the playoffs.

very well stated...
 
Fannehill people will say hey we are 2-0 and excuse every mediocre trait this guy is still displaying in year seven. Oh yea, he’s still rusty. Truth is he is just ok. Not great, doesn’t completely suck. There are valid points to both sides but sometimes the overall gut instinct on a guy is very different from the stats and numbers. The numbers are solidly undebatable. But that impression of a guy that just can’t deliver the dagger, no killer instinct, the will to win, the imposing of will, pocket presence, the outsmarting and outplaying skill guys is not there. That is from the eyeball test. He doesn’t make your toes tingle, as the great Mandich would say. You can’t put that in a stat. He’s just ok. This team will expose him as being a weak link in time.

WTF? Of course he cannot deliver the dagger if you ignore all the times he delivers the dagger.......
 
Fannehill people will say hey we are 2-0 and excuse every mediocre trait this guy is still displaying in year seven. Oh yea, he’s still rusty. Truth is he is just ok. Not great, doesn’t completely suck. There are valid points to both sides but sometimes the overall gut instinct on a guy is very different from the stats and numbers. The numbers are solidly undebatable. But that impression of a guy that just can’t deliver the dagger, no killer instinct, the will to win, the imposing of will, pocket presence, the outsmarting and outplaying skill guys is not there. That is from the eyeball test. He doesn’t make your toes tingle, as the great Mandich would say. You can’t put that in a stat. He’s just ok. This team will expose him as being a weak link in time.
New record for use of cliches' in a single post to back up ones dislike for a player. Seriously, you don't like him, which is fine. What you wrote is silliness and proves less than nothing. Imposing of will? Yikes! Please stop.
 
D'arnold's pocket presence far exceeds RT's and he'll have a much better career than RT
 
Fannehill people will say hey we are 2-0 and excuse every mediocre trait this guy is still displaying in year seven. Oh yea, he’s still rusty. Truth is he is just ok. Not great, doesn’t completely suck. There are valid points to both sides but sometimes the overall gut instinct on a guy is very different from the stats and numbers. The numbers are solidly undebatable. But that impression of a guy that just can’t deliver the dagger, no killer instinct, the will to win, the imposing of will, pocket presence, the outsmarting and outplaying skill guys is not there. That is from the eyeball test. He doesn’t make your toes tingle, as the great Mandich would say. You can’t put that in a stat. He’s just ok. This team will expose him as being a weak link in time.


Can't deliver a dagger? He lead a 6 minute drive to close the game out. That's not something you see every week. You probably only see it a handful of times in a season (in the entire NFL). There are like 3 people in this thread that try their best to tell the other 50 people we are crazy. That should probably be a red flag to you. Nobody is saying he's playing at an MVP level at the moment, but you can see the glimpses of a very good QB. I figured the offense would be rusty the first quarter to 6 games of the year which they have been. The offense will get going though.
 
Fannehill people will say hey we are 2-0 and excuse every mediocre trait this guy is still displaying in year seven. Oh yea, he’s still rusty. Truth is he is just ok. Not great, doesn’t completely suck. There are valid points to both sides but sometimes the overall gut instinct on a guy is very different from the stats and numbers. The numbers are solidly undebatable. But that impression of a guy that just can’t deliver the dagger, no killer instinct, the will to win, the imposing of will, pocket presence, the outsmarting and outplaying skill guys is not there. That is from the eyeball test. He doesn’t make your toes tingle, as the great Mandich would say. You can’t put that in a stat. He’s just ok. This team will expose him as being a weak link in time.

Other than completing a pass with a 7 man rush all around him to convert 3rd and 19 or when he ran for 7 yard on 3rd and 6 to end the game. Nope no killer instinct.
 
Fannehill people will say hey we are 2-0 and excuse every mediocre trait this guy is still displaying in year seven. Oh yea, he’s still rusty. Truth is he is just ok. Not great, doesn’t completely suck. There are valid points to both sides but sometimes the overall gut instinct on a guy is very different from the stats and numbers. The numbers are solidly undebatable. But that impression of a guy that just can’t deliver the dagger, no killer instinct, the will to win, the imposing of will, pocket presence, the outsmarting and outplaying skill guys is not there. That is from the eyeball test. He doesn’t make your toes tingle, as the great Mandich would say. You can’t put that in a stat. He’s just ok. This team will expose him as being a weak link in time.
This is just pissy ass Bitchin with no substance.
 
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