The 2007 Mets Thread

[Ray Finkle]

Drafting players have become very important recently and teams are really starting to put money into it and take it seriously. That's part of the reason why teams wait to see if Player A was offered artibration so they know whether or not they have to give up a draft pick (yes that process screws players such as Todd Walker or Tony Graffinino who are looking for long term deals but can't get them because no team wants to give up a 1st round pick for them).

The Red Sox spend over 8 million last year on scouting and signing players and because of their efforts many experts said they drafted the best talent. In fact drafting players has gotten so big in baseball recently that ESPN is going to put the first two rounds on TV, which is a first. This is a huge example on how the focus is now on building the farm system up.

Baseball is different than football and basketball where it takes awhile for prospects to reach the majors yes no question. However there are rare exceptions like Huston Street, Jared Weaver, Stephen Drew, etc who only spend a year or less in the minors before getting called up and are effective.

 

[phunwin]

Drafting players have become very important recently and teams are really starting to put money into it and take it seriously. That's part of the reason why teams wait to see if Player A was offered artibration so they know whether or not they have to give up a draft pick (yes that process screws players such as Todd Walker or Tony Graffinino who are looking for long term deals but can't get them because no team wants to give up a 1st round pick for them).

The Red Sox spend over 8 million last year on scouting and signing players and because of their efforts many experts said they drafted the best talent. In fact drafting players has gotten so big in baseball recently that ESPN is going to put the first two rounds on TV, which is a first. This is a huge example on how the focus is now on building the farm system up.

Baseball is different than football and basketball where it takes awhile for prospects to reach the majors yes no question. However there are rare exceptions like Huston Street, Jared Weaver, Stephen Drew, etc who only spend a year or less in the minors before getting called up and are effective.

The Mets have drafted extremely well over the last three to four years, and have transformed their farm system from one of the worst to one of the best as a result. The Yankees are in that camp as well. I think it's only recently that teams are starting to realize how important the draft is, and how getting a first round pick for losing a free agent isn't the worst thing in the world. Beane, as I said, was ahead of the curve here.

 

[MikeO]

Nobody wins the world series because of the draft. They win it because of money.

The Red Sox didn't draft Ortiz, Schilling, Manny, Damon, Pedro....etc when they won theirs. The Cardinals didn't draft Edmunds, Weaver, Rolen, Wilson, Carpenter...etc. The White Sox didn't draft Garcia, Contrares, Posednick, Korenko, Everett..etc

Money wins. Not draft picks. And to think Minnesota will let Santana walk for a couple of draft picks instead of trading him and getting major league ready talent is the most idiotic notion out there!!

 

[phunwin]

Nobody wins the world series because of the draft. They win it because of money.

The Red Sox didn't draft Ortiz, Schilling, Manny, Damon, Pedro....etc when they won theirs. The Cardinals didn't draft Edmunds, Weaver, Rolen, Wilson, Carpenter...etc. The White Sox didn't draft Garcia, Contrares, Posednick, Korenko, Everett..etc

The 2002 Angels were almost completely homegrown, as were the 2003 Marlins. And the Cardinals drafted Pujols, who was probably more important to their success than any three of those guys you mentioned combined.

There are multiple ways to build a winning team, but drafting wisely is by far the best way to build a strong farm system. And if you have a strong farm system, you can trade for immediate help...like the 2004 Red Sox and 2005 White Sox did. (The 2006 Cardinals actually relied on Pujols, Carpenter and a ton of bargain free agents peaking at the right time, so good for them.)

Money wins. Not draft picks. And to think Minnesota will let Santana walk for a couple of draft picks instead of trading him and getting major league ready talent is the most idiotic notion out there!!

Every single time someone presents a well-reasoned argument, you pick a small piece of it to argue against (ignoring the vast majority of the rest), dismiss it with a couple isolated examples, call their theory idiotic, and leave it at that. I'm tired of this ****.

 

[GreenMonster]

Nobody wins the world series because of the draft. They win it because of money.

96'-00' Yankees

Jeter, Mariano, Pettite, Willams, Posada. Mendoza. Ya I am sure it would have been easier to just buy those guys in free agency every year or two.

 

[Ray Finkle]

96'-00' Yankees

Jeter, Mariano, Pettite, Willams, Posada. Mendoza. Ya I am sure it would have been easier to just buy those guys in free agency every year or two.

It's actually funny that the Yankees dynasty died once the team started to get the big name free agents like Giambi, Mussina, Sheffield, etc. Although that's not the only reason either.

In fact in the mid to late 80s and early 90s the Yankees were pretty bad so they basically built their franchise back up from their farm system drafting the above mentioned guys because spending big money for the free agents weren't working out.

 

[Ray Finkle]

The 2002 Angels were almost completely homegrown, as were the 2003 Marlins. And the Cardinals drafted Pujols, who was probably more important to their success than any three of those guys you mentioned combined.

There are multiple ways to build a winning team, but drafting wisely is by far the best way to build a strong farm system. And if you have a strong farm system, you can trade for immediate help...like the 2004 Red Sox and 2005 White Sox did. (The 2006 Cardinals actually relied on Pujols, Carpenter and a ton of bargain free agents peaking at the right time, so good for them.)

Exactly right one of the ways the Yankees were able to win all those championships were because they drafted a lot of good prospects and traded them for pieces to help the team win (i.e. Knoblauch, Justice, etc).

If the Red Sox didn't have those pitchers drafted in the minors they would never have gotten Pedro or Schilling.

Also you beat me to naming the Angels and Marlins. In fact the Angels starting line up if I'm not mistaken were all home grown besides Eckstein who was either traded to picked up in the rule 5 draft from Boston. Plus at least 3/5 of their rotation and closer (Percivel) and set up men (Donnelly and K-Rod) were all home grown. I think that's pretty impressive.

 

[Ray Finkle]

Nobody wins the world series because of the draft. They win it because of money.

Yes because since the 2000 season the three teams who have had the highest payrolls in the sport (Yankees, Red Sox and Mets) pretty much every year won a total of 1 World Series championship (2004).

 

[NJFINSFAN1]

Nobody wins the world series because of the draft. They win it because of money.

The Red Sox didn't draft Ortiz, Schilling, Manny, Damon, Pedro....etc when they won theirs. The Cardinals didn't draft Edmunds, Weaver, Rolen, Wilson, Carpenter...etc. The White Sox didn't draft Garcia, Contrares, Posednick, Korenko, Everett..etc

Money wins. Not draft picks. And to think Minnesota will let Santana walk for a couple of draft picks instead of trading him and getting major league ready talent is the most idiotic notion out there!!

Come on, you know better then that!!!

 

[Boik14]

Yup, we're getting the Ho.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/story/496124p-418066c.html

Im going to start the official Chan Ho facts list:

The Official Chan Ho Park FACTS!

1. "Chan Ho Park" is Korean for "Son of Kaz"

2. Chan Ho Park once side kicked Tim Belcher so hard he farted.

3. A true ambassador of the game, Chan Ho Park offered Cal Ripken an All-Star Game home run -- in return for an iron man strength beginning in 2007... hence his willingness to take only 600 K guaranteed and 2.4 mil in performance bonuses.

4. Chan Ho Park taught Bruce Lee a watered down version of the ultimate martial arts.

5. Chuck Norris gained his rep as a bad *** after practicing the same martial arts: That of Chan Ho.

6. The Korea war was over Chan Ho's posting rights.

7. Deaf people listen to Chan Ho Park.

8. Chan Ho Park tells Bob Barker when the price is right.

9. Anna Nicole Smith had a heart attack after having relations Chan Ho Park.

10.Chan Ho Park beat Street Fighter on Level 9.

11.Chan Ho Park started the fire.

12.The second spitter from the Seinfeld episode was Chan Ho Park.

13.Chan Ho Park found Saddam Hussein.

14.Hitler killed himself because he heard Chan Ho Park was coming for him.

15.Chan Ho Park doesn't need a changeup because you can't hit his fastball.

16.Chan Ho Park's bobble head doll comes in Drop Kick and Intestinal Bleeding editions.

17.Chan Ho Park killed the deputy

18.If you look in the mirror and say Krap Oh Nahc 3 times, Chan Ho Park will give up 2 grand slams in an inning

19.The Mets are dropping the naming rights for their new stadium and calling it Chan Ho Park

20.Chan Ho Park invented Kim Chi

21.Chan Ho Park has the mightiest 3 inches in all of Korea...

22.Chan Ho Park is greater than Kaz Matsui

23.When Chan Ho Park snaps his fingers, birdpoop is dropped on the head of Larry Jones

24.Chan HO Park can REALLY tell when a chic is faking it.

25.Chan Ho Park plays 9 positions at once

26.Endy didnt make the catch. It was Chan Ho Park in his uniform

27.Chan Ho Park can cure cancer, and diabetes

28.Chan Ho Park is the number 1 ranked fantasy player

29.Chan Ho Park is the reason why this board was created

30.Chan Ho Park inadvertantly inspired a holy book when he misspelled "Korean"

 

[Boik14]

The Mets have drafted extremely well over the last three to four years, and have transformed their farm system from one of the worst to one of the best as a result. The Yankees are in that camp as well. I think it's only recently that teams are starting to realize how important the draft is, and how getting a first round pick for losing a free agent isn't the worst thing in the world. Beane, as I said, was ahead of the curve here.

To further that point, the mets were ranked 28th 2 years ago by Baseball America for the quality of their prospects and depth. they are now up to 14th. Which is all the more reason I wouldnt give 3-4 top prospects for any player even if it was Johan Santana like we were originally talking about.

 

[phunwin]

31. Chan Ho Park fought Jack Bauer to a draw in a 3-hour steel cage death match.

32. Chan Ho Park is Korean for "Cy Young".

33. Chan Ho Park has a beer named after him in Saudi Arabia.

34. Chan Ho Park was the love child of Sandy Koufax and Marilyn Monroe.

35. Chan Ho Park can make your head explode by staring at it.

36. Chan Ho Park once struck out three batters with one pitch.

37. Chan Ho Park will assassinate Kim Jong Il tomorrow...or run an ultra-marathon. He hasn't decided yet.

38. Jessica Simpson left Nick Lachey for Chan Ho Park.

39. Chan Ho Park is wanted in 68 countries, but not Canada, Peru or Panama.

40. Chan Ho Park can belch the entire alphabet at once.

41. Chan Ho Park defies the laws of physics.

42. Chan Ho Park got this party started.

43. Chan Ho Park holds a Nobel Peace Prize for "wickedest fastball".

44. At around 3 pm, when you're getting tired at work, Chan Ho Park sneaks in and messes with your stuff.

45. Chan Ho Park has a Coke and a smile.

 

[Ray Finkle]

31. Chan Ho Park fought Jack Bauer to a draw in a 3-hour steel cage death match.

Sorry but that is the most insane statement I have ever read. EVER read. There's no such thing as a draw with Jack Bauer, it's either you die or you die.

 

[NJFINSFAN1]

Sorry but that is the most insane statement I have ever read. EVER read. There's no such thing as a draw with Jack Bauer, it's either you die or you die.

 

[phunwin]

Sorry but that is the most insane statement I have ever read. EVER read. There's no such thing as a draw with Jack Bauer, it's either you die or you die.

But, but...he's Chan Ho Park. :ninja:

And hey, Jack's died before. Then he came back to life. Granted, he didn't wait three days and move a big-*** stone all by himself for full dramatic effect or anything, but still, he has died.