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The All-Purpose Draft thread....

TXFinFan said:
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Blake the great said:
Eh. For whatever reason Rodgers refuses to involve TEs. I think them selecting Bowers is a win for us. They need O line help. And honestly Bowers is overrated. I do think Bowers is closer to Dalton Kincaid than he is to......some other hall of famer TE like so many seem to believe he will be.....like they did with Pitts and TJ Hock.
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You have to look at who he's had at TE. I don't think there's anything about his style of play that leads him to eschew TE's.

And I REALLY disagree about Bowers. After Maye, Williams, Harrison Jr, and Nabers, he's the best prospect in the class, and I only keep him out of that tier because he's a TE. His ability with the ball in his hands is second to none. As a True Freshman, he was the best player at Georgia, and he's been their best player the last three years. Imo deploy him like Cooper Kupp with some Deebo Samuel's touches sprinkled in. Kincaid isn't nearly as dynamic with or without the ball.

And, Pitts had 1,000 as a rookie despite bad QB play. Atlanta didn't really try to use his versatility; they just lined him up at X. With better QB play, and if he hadn't been banged up, that might have worked. Pitts is still a supreme talent. If he can stay healthy, I expect him to reach his All Pro potential.

No one really saw Hockenson like that. He ran like a 4.70 and was a major reach Top 10, but he is pretty good.
 
The Goat said:
I believe the latter is not true for multiple reasons. I stated my case against top 10 TEs awhile back regarding Kyle Pitts.

Now imagine that situation stacked on top of a QB who notoriously does not throw to rookie receivers.
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Imagine if prime Randall Cobb was like 5" taller, 40-50 lbs heavier, more skilled, much more physical, and faster/more explosive. Bowers is that and then some. I don't think Rodgers would have a hard time getting him the ball. Again, look at what Bowers did as a True Freshman.
 
MrClean said:
There are some diverse opinions on Maye. He is not a slam dunk.

3. DRAKE MAYE, North Carolina (6-4 ½, 227, no 40, 1): Backed up Sam Howell in 2021 and then went 17-9 as the starter in 2022-’23. “Andrew Luck was further along than Drake Maye but the talent level is somewhat similar,” said one scout. “His pro day was really good. He throws a great deep ball for a guy that’s not supposed to have an elite arm. His accuracy and touch are his secret sauce. That’s what he’s really good at.” Finished with a passer rating of 106.3. Rushed for 1,209. “He’s the Jared Goff clone with his mobility,” a second scout said. “Goff ran 4.82. I’d say he’s 4.75.” Hands were 9 1/8. “I see a gifted athlete who can make all the passes,” a third scout said. “In the ’23 season he had a really bad offensive line and got exposed a little bit. There was a degree of inconsistency with his throwing motion and his throwing accuracy. I still think there’s upside with this guy, and he’s young (will be 22 in August). I do see him as a Pro Bowl starter.” Comes from an enormously athletic family. “He’s gotten close to Philip Rivers, who’s a little bit of a hillbilly from Alabama who went to NC State,” a fourth scout said. “Maye is from Charlotte and went to Carolina. So you think this guy’s going to have some polish. He walked in the room and he sounded like Jethro Bodine on the Beverly Hillbillies. We just went, ‘Who is this guy?’ Watching the tape, all this animation. This kid is sort of wound tight trying to be something he’s not … I thought his tape was kind of average, to be honest. He needs a year to just sit, and I don’t know if the teams that are going to take him can do that. I think it’s going to be real hard. He is not explosive with his arm. He’s a good athlete, but you see very few plays where he just rips the ball into a tight window. One thing I noticed was that all his takeoffs were into the boundary, the short side of the field. Any time he threw to the field (side) was to the slot (receiver) down the hashmark. I kind of thought they even recognized that there were some arm strength issues there. I thought I was going to turn on the tape, sit back and watch the show. After about five throws I went, ‘Are you kidding me? All this hype over this guy?’” His family lives in Huntersville, N.C. “He’s got all the physical tools,” a fifth scout said. “Sometimes there’s some wiring … there’s some Daniel Jones in there. Sometimes when it gets a little hairy, what’s he wired like?”
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Anonymous scouts are the dumbest people in the world. His arm is elite, and most of his throws were into tight windows, because his WR's didn't separate for ****, particularly in '23.
 
j-off-her-doll said:
Imagine if prime Randall Cobb was like 5" taller, 40-50 lbs heavier, more skilled, much more physical, and faster/more explosive. Bowers is that and then some. I don't think Rodgers would have a hard time getting him the ball. Again, look at what Bowers did as a True Freshman.
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I’m not doubting any of that. I just believe that the transition from college to pro for TE is far more difficult than people realize.
 
The Goat said:
I’m not doubting any of that. I just believe that the transition from college to pro for TE is far more difficult than people realize.
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He should be used as a Power Slot that can do some TE things and some X WR things. With his speed, burst, route running, and contact balance, a team will really have to **** it up.

The thing that makes the TE transition so tough for most TE's is that they're less skilled receivers than the WR's and less skilled blockers than the OL, and they have to significantly improve both to make an impact at the NFL level.

Bowers is different, because he's more skilled than the vast majority of WR prospects.
 
For what It’s worth, here are the most recent TEs drafted in the top 10.

- Kyle Pitts
- TJ Hockenson
- Eric Ebron
- Vernon Davis
- Kellen Winslow, Jr
- Rickey Dudley
- Kyle Brady
- Junior Miller
- Ken Macafee (drafted 16 spots ahead of Ozzie Newsome!)
- JV Cain
- Charle Young
 
The Goat said:
For what It’s worth, here are the most recent TEs drafted in the top 10.

- Kyle Pitts
- TJ Hockenson
- Eric Ebron
- Vernon Davis
- Kellen Winslow, Jr
- Rickey Dudley
- Kyle Brady
- Junior Miller
- Ken Macafee (drafted 16 spots ahead of Ozzie Newsome!)
- JV Cain
- Charle Young
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OK what conclusions are you going to draw with that? Which players is Bowers most similar to, and how similar is he?
 
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