The Ricky Situation doesn't make any sense

[FIREMEDIC822]

To bring him back would be a complete waste of this franchises time.

What would it hurt or how would it be a waste of time. Really what does Saban have to lose? If he deserts him or doesnt play to par then Ronnie is there to clean up and take it to the house. If he does play to par and stays around then we have an untouchable one two punch. I look at it as we have nothing to lose but everything to gain.. IMO

 

[Oboy]

I did not read the whole thread so if someone else already said this sorry...

The only difference between Ricky and Edge/Alexander's situation is... That Ricky is under contract for a few (three I think) more years at a relatively cheap price. That alone may tempt someone to trying to bring him in (just making sure they redo his contract to have lots of options in case he flies the coup again).

 

[first&goal]

............ You have to ask yourself, is all that worth it? Are the media stories going to be worth it? The guy is almost 29 years old. RB's careers die or decline at that age. He took a pounding over 3 years that would equate him being a 35 year old RB. Really what it boils down to is moving on. IMO it's wishful thinking at best for Ricky to have any good effect on this team whatsoever.

If ( big if ) Ricky really wants to play, the fact that he took one year off is actually very good for his body, in reference that he lost 30 pounds, is not a big deal, he can bring himself back to his ideal weight and shape in a short time. I like Ronnie and I believe that is gonna be a great one......but he never play a down yet in the NFL, maybe we need a veteran RB that we know is good.

 

[rafael]

Personally, I don't think RW has much value. I think the distractions he brings aren't worth the very little return he is likely to produce. My guess is that a 4th or 5th rounder is better than nothing and that's the value Saban thinks he will ultimately get.

 

[vt_dolfan]

What would it hurt or how would it be a waste of time. Really what does Saban have to lose? If he deserts him or doesnt play to par then Ronnie is there to clean up and take it to the house. If he does play to par and stays around then we have an untouchable one two punch. I look at it as we have nothing to lose but everything to gain.. IMO

I agree completely. We have nothing to lose. The hardest thing Ricky will have to do is face his teammates. If he does that, I think he has the chance to contribute to our team next year. If he doesnt...no loss. Does anyone really think Saban would allow him to stay if it was a distraction? I sure dont. But Saban also sees potential in Williams..potential to make this team better.

 

[Dolfan984]

Not to take any sides, but Ricky is 27, and turns 28 this month. I saw some people saying he's almost 29 but it's more like he's almost 28.

 

[Shamboubou]

Personally, I don't think RW has much value. I think the distractions he brings aren't worth the very little return he is likely to produce. My guess is that a 4th or 5th rounder is better than nothing and that's the value Saban thinks he will ultimately get.

A 4th or 5th rounder huh?? You realize that if we traded RW for a 4th or 5th and he comes back playing like he did before we left, that would be more stupid than the 2nd we gave up for Feeley. He is more of a risk to trade than he is to keep in the team.

The guy took a year off it not like he has been out of the game for 3 or 4 years. Its not like he's 50 pounds over weight. Its a lot more easy to gain weight than it is to lose it. If he comes back he will be a force because if he comes back its because he wants to play the game. Look at what he did when he wasnt even running as hard as he could, behind a below par O-Line!

 

[Slappa]

If you haven't seen Ricky's career go downhill then you watched or read nothing about what transpired over the course of the last year and a half, not one thing. The man's not superman. He's been away from the game. Nowhere near playing shape. Still has to serve a suspension. Obvious mental problems mixed with substance abuse. He'll be 29 before he could start to hit a groove, at which point wouldn't make any sense anyways because Ronnie Brown's our guy. I don't even have to speak on how his career went downhill, it's screaming it on it's own.

Wow.. :shakeno:

I'm at a lost for where to start with this post!

I could literally pick it apart. But it wouldn't make any diff, whould it?

Who know's maybe your right? We should burn that candle (Brown) from both ends. It doesn't make so much sense when it's put like that now does it.

 

[enigmatics]

Wow.. :shakeno:

I'm at a lost for where to start with this post!

I could literally pick it apart. But it wouldn't make any diff, whould it?

Who know's maybe your right? We should burn that candle (Brown) from both ends. It doesn't make so much sense when it's put like that now does it.

Are you too lazy to type? If you have such a profound perspective, lay it down ponch............ and I never said anything about it burning Ronnie from both ends.......u said that.

 

[Omaha_Dolfan]

If you haven't seen Ricky's career go downhill then you watched or read nothing about what transpired over the course of the last year and a half, not one thing. The man's not superman. He's been away from the game.

He is a top tier running back that knows how to play running back. All he has to do is come into a new system and learn it ... everyone is starting over again with the new system so there would be no catching up to do.

Nowhere near playing shape.

A year off after being beaten up for two years is more good for his playing conditon than if he was playing. As far as playing shape, he is lean now, putting on the thirty pounds after he already had it will be no problem. Building new muscle is what takes time not rebuilding what you already had.

Still has to serve a suspension. Obvious mental problems mixed with substance abuse. He'll be 29 before he could start to hit a groove, at which point wouldn't make any sense anyways because Ronnie Brown's our guy.

4 Game suspension if he doesnt return till after July if Im not mistaken, thats a month of working out to get back to form.
Mental Problems he has a condition that can be treated, if anything the fact that he has these issues should make people more leniant. Not like he left the team the night before the Superbowl.
As for substance abuse at least he isnt going to jail for a coke deal.

Oh and I think Ronnie will be a great back. What happens if he gets injured? What happens if he decides he wants to do philosophy instead of play football? The not having a solid backup is what destroyed us last year. Wanny had no backup plan. And if you want to call Kay Jay (no offense to KJ) the backup, then you are crazy having your first and second options both be untested and unproven NFL runningbacks.

I don't even have to speak on how his career went downhill, it's screaming it on it's own.

Year Team G GS Att Yards Avg Lg TD 20+ FD
2002 Miami Dolphins 16 16 383 1853 4.8 63 16 7 89
2003 Miami Dolphins 16 16 392 1372 3.5 45 9 6 68

I agree .. hell only almost 1400 yards and 9 TD's with bad line play, We should of cut him before he had the chance to quit.

 

[enigmatics]

He is a top tier running back that knows how to play running back. All he has to do is come into a new system and learn it ... everyone is starting over again with the new system so there would be no catching up to do.

He WAS a top tier runningback. I don't know if you noticed, but Ricky did not play a down last year. The top runningbacks don't spend a whole season away from the game so they can smoke a few J's and tour Asia. As far as catching up.........you're just talking the system, but there's more than just "the system"........ He has to get his legs back, his vision back, his endurance back......all that.......he definately has ALOT of catching up to do in the all-around facets of the game.

A year off after being beaten up for two years is more good for his playing conditon than if he was playing. As far as playing shape, he is lean now, putting on the thirty pounds after he already had it will be no problem. Building new muscle is what takes time not rebuilding what you already had.

4 Game suspension if he doesnt return till after July if Im not mistaken, thats a month of working out to get back to form.
Mental Problems he has a condition that can be treated, if anything the fact that he has these issues should make people more leniant. Not like he left the team the night before the Superbowl.
As for substance abuse at least he isnt going to jail for a coke deal.

You speak as though putting on 30lbs of sheer, mean muscle mass can be done in the flick of a wrist. But if we're going to focus on the physicalities, then lets talk about his chronically bad shoulders. He's never been able to escape those. And again, like I said, as he continues to get older, turning 28 on the 21st this month, that's going to be a problem that creeps and creeps and creeps up on him.

His mental conditions can certainly be treated...........as far as the result keeping him and his head in the game? That's yet to be seen. I love how you just immediately abandon the idea that he's not mentally sound......especially to play the game of football. Man with problems like that it takes YEARS to get to the root of the psychological problem in order to address it and iron it out. Do you think the Miami Dolphins have some magic man who Ricky's going to talk too and suddenly he'll just snap out of it? Furthermore substance abuse is substance abuse. Anything you you use habitually to escape reality is a problem. And Ricky's been trying to escape reality with weed..........there's no denying that.

Oh and I think Ronnie will be a great back. What happens if he gets injured? What happens if he decides he wants to do philosophy instead of play football? The not having a solid backup is what destroyed us last year. Wanny had no backup plan. And if you want to call Kay Jay (no offense to KJ) the backup, then you are crazy having your first and second options both be untested and unproven NFL runningbacks.


Year Team G GS Att Yards Avg Lg TD 20+ FD
2002 Miami Dolphins 16 16 383 1853 4.8 63 16 7 89
2003 Miami Dolphins 16 16 392 1372 3.5 45 9 6 68

I agree .. hell only almost 1400 yards and 9 TD's with bad line play, We should of cut him before he had the chance to quit.

Again......caught only on the stats and not on the player. Just because Wanny had no backup plan, doesn't mean a guy like Saban won't. Ricky Williams isn't the only man we could ever employ as a backup to Ronny, sorry to break that to you. We're in a competitive rebuild brother. We've got plenty of time to get the right players in the positions we need them. You're talking in a win-now mentality........caught on the name Ricky Williams and not the guy that actually is. I for one and not for the man joining ranks with this newly refreshed franchise. Time to stop recycling old trash. Time to move on. If he was 24 and making stupid life choices I'd be more for it.

 

[Slappa]

Are you too lazy to type? If you have such a profound perspective, lay it down ponch............ and I never said anything about it burning Ronnie from both ends.......u said that.

Ok you asked for it. Let's see if you can first address Omah intelligently. Then I may waste some time on your quick to judge labeling arse!

By the way you implied that R Brown is the next comimg of RW talent wise in your earlier post. And you know, I hope he is and more! It seems to be the only opportunistic statement of any your silly lil posts.

 

[Slappa]

He WAS a top tier runningback. I don't know if you noticed, but Ricky did not play a down last year. The top runningbacks don't spend a whole season away from the game so they can smoke a few J's and tour Asia. As far as catching up.........you're just talking the system, but there's more than just "the system"........ He has to get his legs back, his vision back, his endurance back......all that.......he definately has ALOT of catching up to do in the all-around facets of the game.



You speak as though putting on 30lbs of sheer, mean muscle mass can be done in the flick of a wrist. But if we're going to focus on the physicalities, then lets talk about his chronically bad shoulders. He's never been able to escape those. And again, like I said, as he continues to get older, turning 28 on the 21st this month, that's going to be a problem that creeps and creeps and creeps up on him.

His mental conditions can certainly be treated...........as far as the result keeping him and his head in the game? That's yet to be seen. I love how you just immediately abandon the idea that he's not mentally sound......especially to play the game of football. Man with problems like that it takes YEARS to get to the root of the psychological problem in order to address it and iron it out. Do you think the Miami Dolphins have some magic man who Ricky's going to talk too and suddenly he'll just snap out of it? Furthermore substance abuse is substance abuse. Anything you you use habitually to escape reality is a problem. And Ricky's been trying to escape reality with weed..........there's no denying that.



Again......caught only on the stats and not on the player. Just because Wanny had no backup plan, doesn't mean a guy like Saban won't. Ricky Williams isn't the only man we could ever employ as a backup to Ronny, sorry to break that to you. We're in a competitive rebuild brother. We've got plenty of time to get the right players in the positions we need them. You're talking in a win-now mentality........caught on the name Ricky Williams and not the guy that actually is. I for one and not for the man joining ranks with this newly refreshed franchise. Time to stop recycling old trash. Time to move on. If he was 24 and making stupid life choices I'd be more for it.

Still waiting for that intelligently thought out reply! lay it down missy..
Just like a women to look at the effect and never the cause!

 

[first&goal]

He WAS a top tier runningback. I don't know if you noticed, but Ricky did not play a down last year. The top runningbacks don't spend a whole season away from the game so they can smoke a few J's and tour Asia. As far as catching up.........you're just talking the system, but there's more than just "the system"........ He has to get his legs back, his vision back, his endurance back......all that.......he definately has ALOT of catching up to do in the all-around facets of the game.



You speak as though putting on 30lbs of sheer, mean muscle mass can be done in the flick of a wrist. But if we're going to focus on the physicalities, then lets talk about his chronically bad shoulders. He's never been able to escape those. And again, like I said, as he continues to get older, turning 28 on the 21st this month, that's going to be a problem that creeps and creeps and creeps up on him.

His mental conditions can certainly be treated...........as far as the result keeping him and his head in the game? That's yet to be seen. I love how you just immediately abandon the idea that he's not mentally sound......especially to play the game of football. Man with problems like that it takes YEARS to get to the root of the psychological problem in order to address it and iron it out. Do you think the Miami Dolphins have some magic man who Ricky's going to talk too and suddenly he'll just snap out of it? Furthermore substance abuse is substance abuse. Anything you you use habitually to escape reality is a problem. And Ricky's been trying to escape reality with weed..........there's no denying that.



Again......caught only on the stats and not on the player. Just because Wanny had no backup plan, doesn't mean a guy like Saban won't. Ricky Williams isn't the only man we could ever employ as a backup to Ronny, sorry to break that to you. We're in a competitive rebuild brother. We've got plenty of time to get the right players in the positions we need them. You're talking in a win-now mentality........caught on the name Ricky Williams and not the guy that actually is. I for one and not for the man joining ranks with this newly refreshed franchise. Time to stop recycling old trash. Time to move on. If he was 24 and making stupid life choices I'd be more for it.

I understand, you dont like Ricky which is your problem. You can say that the guy that bad quitting the team, you can say that you dont like his personality, his last name, but you cant say that Ricky is not a good football player and all your post in reference of Ricky are lame. The fact that he did not play last year means nothing, but we all know that Ricky never quit in the field, he always play hard and if he decide to come back and Saban really wants him, be prepare to see the beast running wild again!

 

[enigmatics]

Still waiting for that intelligently thought out reply! lay it down missy..
Just like a women to look at the effect and never the cause!

............it was only a matter of time before you resorted to a diss. I will not waste my time getting in a petty pissing match with you. Go pick on another one of your fellow noobs if you want to slander back and forth.