DrAstroZoom
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Megatron said:
Likewise, there is absolutely nothing to back up the belief that Ricky HAS made salary demands, which is unfortunately and incorrectly being treated as a given.
The Ricky story buried beneath all the salary "demand" crap
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Likewise, there is absolutely nothing to back up the belief that Ricky HAS made salary demands, which is unfortunately and incorrectly being treated as a given.
Thanks for the flaming there f-ckhead. Heres my thoughts in case you missed it from a week ago. I didnt feel like having to go a week back to find it and repost it but for you i did. Just remember we arent all perfect people.Steve S said:
To start off with I won't sit here and say I wasn't irate when he walked out on us. I was as pissed as anyone could be. I felt he was cowardly and childish. I felt at the time he was flat out stupid. I gave away a home jersey and hid the road jersey in the back of my closet. I gave away the part of RW that i felt represented the idiot whose actions I dispised and kept the part of RW I felt represented RW the player, who we all loved to watch, is another way of looking at it I guess. However, this doesn't make you or I better than him. I don't live a perfect life, none of us probably do. If you're lucky enough to have f'd up one time and to have been forgiven you know exactly what I'm referring to. The feeling of guilt that as a human emotion naturally weighs on you when you know you haven't done right by others. Could that feeling of guilt; that feeling that he owes it to his teammates to be better than he ever was weigh on him every minute of every game? It sure could and ask yourself how good can a motivated Ricky Williams be?
Back to the article. For starters, you mix a mans personal life with his professional life; how does his having 3 kids relate to football? Tying that in through his 8.6m grievance doesn't wash. Most of that grievance is due to N.O. anyway. He would have found a way out through backruptcy (already filed for) or requesting a trade and playing elsewhere (hinted at oakland).
You go in to hypotheticals when you talk about "RW wouldn't be coming back if he didnt owe us 8.6m" and we have no idea if thats true. Furthermore, Miami would never likely would have able to collect that before the statute of limitations expired (usually 3-5 years depending on the state) simply because it would have severed all ties with RW and the Phins. They would never just throw away all his value to the team during his most productive years. Also, by doing that who knows how the lawyers and judges would have seen it if RW chose to come back. Would you have thrown away RW prior to his quitting for a measly 8.6m? And by the value of his contract to other productive backs like him (Edge, Shaun, Portis and other top tier RB's) 8.6m is measly for a player who carried our offense for 2 seasons. We could have faced the prospect of losing RW as a free agent if the judges/powers that be ruled that once we collected on RW's retirement clause. And now that he's likely back all that is irrelevant anyway. It was a lose-lose situation.
When you talk about RW having a second chance I'd like to understand how in the world you talk about teammates calling him up to come is really a 2nd chance? I'm not making excuses for the man, he's responsible for his own actions, but clearly anyone that acted in the manner he did was in poor mental health and certainly in no condition to play football. Let's hope he's cleared that up for RW the person, if only so that RW the player can be a more effective player and be close to what he was when he left the game.
Let's face facts here; no one would be upset with him at all had he done what he did pre-draft or pre-FA. That's the real issue here; the lack of character he displayed in doing what he did. But that relates to the point about his lack of mental health through his indiscriminate actions. No rational person walks away in the manner he did for the reasons he did.
Rw sent his lawyer to NY to negotiate a deal but he couldn't have come back last season anyway via the fact he had a 3rd strike for the failed drug test. So thats a mute point entirely.
The facts are this: He screwed up and as a man hes got to convince his teammates that he's back and ready to play ball. He's got to prove to them he can still be a factor, he can still be a positive influence in the locker room. He's got to contribute something. He's got to reprove himself to everyone and there are both positives and negative aspects to that.
On the bright side, he has had a year off to think about things, to get himself right mentally, to do whatever it is he wanted to do in traveling and medicine and whatever else. He's taken the spotlight off himself on the field which he hated in the first place now that Ronnie is there to be the man. Conversely, like i said, he has to reprove himself. He'll always be under the NFL drug testing microscope, he'll always have heckling fans and media, he'll always have teammates questioning his commitment. There will always be people who want him to fail because of what they feel he represents when in reality they have no idea of what he represents or his train of thought. I'm not a holier then thou type but I refuse to pass judgement on a player or person for a mistake; one that they're willing to to fess up to as we know his teammates will discuss with him at some point.
I'd like to talk about that last point; teammates questioning his committment. that can work both ways. We know what the effects can be from a negative standpoint; it could affect his confidence and play. It could also drive him to play harder knowing that if he doesn't leave no doubt about his effort that he'll face more heat than the average player from his skeptics and from his teammates. It could push him to new limits and serve as a motivational tool. Remember, we're talking about a player who's effort on the field was never questioned as a Phin; it couldn't be when he carried our running game in the punishing fashion he did.
The one thing I whole-heatedly agree with you is that no one is going to invest in him with a high pick via trade. 1 or 2 seasons will never erase the memory of what he did in the mind of GM's around the league. They will always question his committment and his passion if only to bargain trade value down and it will work because every team that inquires about him will have the same fear. Every team will wonder is he worth the risk monetarily and from a public relations standpoint. People are going to have to come to the realization that RW is more valueable to us then he is in a trade cause we will never see the value that RW represents as a player in a trade.
However, I expect a better Ricky then we've ever seen. Why? Well for starters, I think Saban will know how to handle him. By that I mean that in my not so humble opinion that Saban has a plan on how to just end the Ricky issues before the season even begins whether it be a team meeting about it or some other method. This is a bright coach from a psychological standpoint and he understands the mind of a player. There's simply no reason Saban would be doing this if he felt it was a move that would cause more harm then good. In addition, factor in that his body has had time to heal. There's no mistaking that RB's, especially ones that take on as much contact as RW does when he runs, take a load of punishment. Finally, with the spotlight off RW; he's no longer the starter and no longer the guy who needs to prove he was worth a ton of picks, he's now RW the guy who people expect to quit and fail. Hes now RW, who everytime he succeeds; gains that 1st down, gets that tough 2 yards or finds that endzone, will be that much closer to regaining our trust as a player and more importantly the trust as a teammate. And while there's no question he will walk away from the game again one day, we have no clue when and if that day will occur before it really should. We could easily see another 4-5 productive years or we could see 10 games.
My final point is this; as fans what did we lose? We lost 1 whole season of a more entertaining product. That's it. And had he stayed with all the other events and injuries that took place who knows how much better it would have been! I dont believe it did more harm than good by him acting the way he did; I do believe there are positives we can take from it though.
Also regarding slamming AJ, Ill continue to slam him cause while guts is all well and good it didnt exactly get Jay Fiedler :ears: too far now did it. And considering Fiedler was a better qb i still see nothing to like about AJ. Way to relate 1 topic to another though; a thread about RW and you drag Aj into it. Brilliant move. :shakeno:
DrAstroZoom
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Breathe, son. Breathe! 
Oh and my last post doesnt even include the fact that while hes 25 lbs below his 220ish playing weight he still has June July, August, and Sept (remember suspended 1st 4 games) to gain that weight back. So roughly if theres 18 weeks (for arguments sake, we're looking at about 1.4 lbs per week gained back. So that shouldnt be an issue since Im sure he will be working to get in football shape and not just his playing weight considering that hes been doing so for the past few mnonths already.
DrAstroZoom
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Boik14 said:
I think it would be in his best interest to have that weight back by training camp and not count on any substantial development in August and September. If he doesn't make an immediate impact, his time will be limited.
NJFINSFAN1
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DrAstroZoom said:
If he doesn't get it back by training camp, he will go back to india crying from the pounding he will take! :eek:
His time is gonna be limited anyway. Hes not gonna be geting the 1st team reps with ronnie here. Theyre also not gonna risk injury to him if hes not in proper condition knowing how big a role he could potentially play. Doing as much as he can by camp is obviously the goal; I was just stating that if hes not back to "typical RW playing form" by the time camp breaks that I have confidence he will be back in shape by the time hes eligible to play week 5.DrAstroZoom said:
DaFish
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Boik14 said:
I think if Ricky would have played last year he would have been injured just like almost every back that took a handoff last season.
Finfan53
17-0 Still Perfect
Lets see how good Ricky is when camp starts.... I'm expecting to be dissapointed. I hope I won't be! He is under contract does that have to be honored?.... will all the pot he has smoked in the past year show up in his drug tests? He hasn't been clean all that long I'm sure?!
DrAstroZoom
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Finfan53 said:
I've seen a report that he hasn't smoked since October or November of last year. If that's true, he'll test clear.
DaFish
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You may want to correct that sig. Once should be ounce.Finfan53 said:
How ironic we are talking about RW and pot. :roflmao:
yes on the contract; hes definitely under contract.Finfan53 said:
No on the past pot usage; after a month of not smoking it no longer shows up. Of course there are ways to speed up the dissappearing process; vinegar drinking not being 1 of them.
I saw the same thing Dr astrozoom was mentioning. He hasnt smoked in quite a while and the school of holistic medicine he was attending prohibits that.
