The Wanny And Speilman Damage Toll

[Megatron]

One final point. Any Dolphin fan that claims the Wanny era completely sucked and had no redeeming value (especially seasons 2000 - 2003) should have to pay back the time they spent watching the 41 victories of that era by watching the games played by the Bills in the same era, especially the 39 loses.

It's not the wins that I'm talking about. It's the fact that we were on a downward spiral from bad player management that was first felt last year.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

You didn't mention Whitney and Smith. And a whole host of other poor draft choices.

Just as the original poster mentioned none of the good choices. Do I think Wanny was a good GM? No. I just hate it when people make claims that nothing good was done and then cheer for Chambers, McMichael, etc. My point wasn't that they didn't make any mistakes. It was that they weren't all mistakes and some of the 'mistakes' listed are too early to tell.

I don't think any team should give HC and GM responsibilities to the same person. It rarely works. That is my biggest concern with the new regime.

 

[Megatron]

Just as the original poster mentioned none of the good choices. Do I think Wanny was a good GM? No. I just hate it when people make claims that nothing good was done and then cheer for Chambers, McMichael, etc. My point wasn't that they didn't make any mistakes. It was that they weren't all mistakes and some of the 'mistakes' listed are too early to tell.

I don't think any team should give HC and GM responsibilities to the same person. It rarely works. That is my biggest concern with the new regime.

To call a draft succesful I remember a NFL GM saying you need at least 4 of the guys from that year to play for the length of their rookie contract.

 

[LZoeller12]

I liked the trade for Booker. We couldn't afford what Wale wanted and we needed help at wr, plus an extra pick. How well did Wale play not opposite Jason Taylor?

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

The repercussions of the Wanspiel era are just now taking hold. This is why I feel the same way about how long it will take to get back on top of our division. You don't feel the impact of bad drafts until about two years later when all those bums finally get cut. We've had about five lousy drafts.

I don't think we have had 5 lousy drafts. I think the problem is that none were great. Drafting is not an exact science. What are your expectations for a draft? How many starters? How many stars? How many making the team?

In 2004 we had 6 picks (none in the 2nd or 3rd round). We could end up with starters at LT, CB, C, LB and a solid special teams player. Would that seem lousy to you? Isn't it at least too early to call?

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

To call a draft succesful I remember a NFL GM saying you need at least 4 of the guys from that year to play for the length of their rookie contract.

2004 has the potential.


2001 should already qualify (depending on your opinion of the Fletcher pick):

1 1 26 26 Jamar Fletcher DB Wisconsin
2 2 21 52 Chris Chambers WR Wisconsin
3 3 23 85 Travis Minor RB Florida State
4 3 26 88 Morlon Greenwood LB Syracuse

Jamar Fletcher was traded for Boston, he is still here, Fletcher is still in SD. All of the rest qualify.

 

[WitheringPlant]

I found at least 10 on your before 2002 list. I am assuming you didn't count Bledsoe since he sucked the last couple years. Not sure what the other one is.

 

[bigmiamifan]

As glad as I am that Dave is gone, Rick did pretty damn well. If AJ ends up starting, he'd be worth the 2nd round pick. If Carey ends up starting, he's worth the move up. Rick made a few good moves, Boston, Gordon (who may be trade bait) Booker (while saving money with Ogun) Wes, and many others.

Dave got us Ricky. Dave couldn't coach, and Rick may have been shaky, but overall they didn't screw us as bad as you claim from their personnel choices, no more then any other team that gets burned.

 

[CrunchTime]

:deadhorse

 

[Prakk]

Not so fast

Remember, if the last two drafts end up being a positive for us, Spielman is redeemed.

 

[PressCoverage]

couldn't Wally have been tagged a franchise player? wasn't he? if so, wouldn't he have commanded two No. 1 picks from any team that wanted him?

so what do they do? take a third and a slightly above average receiver... that, to me, was complete panic... for a guy who led the conference in sacks...

i'm with the original poster... you can harp on Wannspeil's few successes, but the results tell the story... 4-12... major personel mess, no money for Surtain, and still no decent quarterback since Marino...

frankly, i'm surprised Saban has made so much progress already... it's a testament to his resolve....

this is the NFL... you don't give away mid- early-round draft picks and elite players for average, injury prone, or unproven veterans... ever...

 

[Sirspud]

As glad as I am that Dave is gone, Rick did pretty damn well. If AJ ends up starting, he'd be worth the 2nd round pick. If Carey ends up starting, he's worth the move up. Rick made a few good moves, Boston, Gordon (who may be trade bait) Booker (while saving money with Ogun) Wes, and many others.

Dave got us Ricky. Dave couldn't coach, and Rick may have been shaky, but overall they didn't screw us as bad as you claim from their personnel choices, no more then any other team that gets burned.

Rick's problem was his trades, which seemed to give us the short end of the stick. However, I think the 2004 draft went very well, although I don't who that starter at LB is that someone else mentioned.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

Rick's problem was his trades, which seemed to give us the short end of the stick. However, I think the 2004 draft went very well, although I don't who that starter at LB is that someone else mentioned.

Pope could be starting next year..

 

[Anthony3454]

Would you have rather had Wale sit out all season. Come on, the one smart thing Wanny did was not overpay for an above average talent. We would have really been screwed if he was still on the team and getting paid what he wanted. We got rid of him and got a good Wr and a pick in return. I will agree that the Lamar Gordon trade was mostly desperation after Ricky retired.

 

[LarryFinFan]

Guys,

Seriously, How much damage have these 2 idiots done to this franchise? I honestly think Saban is the next great coach in this league, but with what those monkeys have done...It'll be 3 years before we're competing for an AFC East title. Think about the wonderful moves Bozo and Ronald made while running the ship:

* A 2nd rounder for A.J. Feeley? Are you kidding me? The Pats spent a 2nd round choice on C. Dillon. We got A.J. Freakin Feeley? But I will say he's played incredible since he's been here.:shakeno:

On a scale of 1 - 10 this move gets a 2

* Eddie Moore 49th over all? Huh? I had 4 draft publications and the highest he was rated was in the 5th round. He's played well since we got him though. :shakeno:
On a scale of 1 - 10 that move rates a 2

* A 4th round pick to move up 1 - I REPEAT - 1 spot to select V. Carey? What the F**K is that? Call Minnesota's bluff for Christ's sake!!!! WHat's the worst that happens? We draft the best athlete on the board like you're supposed to do? But I will say V. Carey has set the world on fire so far. :shakeno:
I rate that move a 4 on a scale of 1 - 10.

* A. Ogunleye for Marty Booker and a 3rd rounder (which became L Gordon)? Umm....I'm sorry, but at the time A.O. was one of the top 5 DE's in the league...PERIOD!! You can't get a first rounder for him? Good DE's come along just slightly more frequently than Haley's F**king COMET BUT YOU GET A 3rd and a slightly-above-average-receiver for a top 5 DE? But I will say Booker and Gordon have played awesome since they've been here. :shakeno:

I rate that move a 3

OK...You get the point...I'm sure thare are MANY other gems you guys can recall. But the bottom line is...We're not goinna be a GOOD team for at least 2 more years. Thanks to Saban we'll be competetive..But we won't be GOOD. Just my opinion.

Yada yada yada yada....same old thing...with all the moves that Saban has made, can't you think of anything else to comment about....??