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Tom gamble wants dion Jordan in philly

Taking the #3 overall pick and trading him for the following year's #22 overall pick would be a move worthy of Jeff Ireland, right up there with the boneheaded sense of value that led to the two Brandon Marshall trades.

People need to get out of this mode of crowning stars or dumping players based on the very last thing they saw. Take the longer view, guys. Look at the pot odds.

A fly's memory is what? Five seconds? Sometimes I wonder if football fans are part fly.

That was the weakest draft at the top I can remember in a long time. If Jordan were to enter the draft this year he would not be a top 10 pick. He would be in the 12-25 range. I think you have to at least take the call. If you could get a pro bowl offensive lineman like Mathis or Peters AND #22 pick or even Lane Johnson and the #22 pick I think you should do it. Wake will be able to have a long career because he didn't play that much in his early 20s. Wake has another 4 years of pro bowl caliber play. Maybe more.
 
I'd do it. Especially given the emergence of Vernon.

Unless of course we change to a 3-4..which isn't going to happen.

This would be a bad idea. I am confident that the team would have gone 6-10 without the limited contributions from Jordan. He made a lot of under appreciate critical plays this year.
 
Jordan and our 4th rounder for Phillys 1st and 2nd rounders.
 
I would do Wake for #22/Lane Johnson/3rd.

Then between 19 or 22 you take an O Lineman and one of the big redzone threat TE's in either Ebron or Amaro. I'm also one of the people pro moving Pouncey to guard.
 
That was the weakest draft at the top I can remember in a long time. If Jordan were to enter the draft this year he would not be a top 10 pick. He would be in the 12-25 range.

I don't agree with that kind of thinking. First off, we don't really know yet how good the top of that first round was. All we have is what people said. The 2005 draft was notoriously weak at the top but that first round also produced one of the best players in the NFL in Aaron Rodgers.

The bottom line is, your chances of winning a transaction when you trade the #3 overall pick for next year's #22 overall pick are poor at best. Your goal as an organization should be to get other teams to fall for that kind of thinking, trading away their high pick for a lower one soon after, not the other way around.

I think you have to at least take the call. If you could get a pro bowl offensive lineman like Mathis or Peters AND #22 pick or even Lane Johnson and the #22 pick I think you should do it. Wake will be able to have a long career because he didn't play that much in his early 20s. Wake has another 4 years of pro bowl caliber play. Maybe more.

A few things. The Eagles aren't going to trade Lane Johnson and their first for Dion Jordan. That's crazy talk for the exact reason I'm mentioning above. They're not giving away the #4 overall pick and another first for the #3 overall pick in the draft where they picked #4. Why the hell would they do that? Evan Mathis on the other hand, while a terrific player, is a 32 year old guard. How many more great years does he really have left... and even if he has great years left, they're guard years, and guards ain't exactly the most valuable player on your football team.

As an organization we should be able to acquire a good guard without trading away a player who plays a difference making position like pass rusher. Alex Mack and Zane Beadles are both scheduled to be unrestricted free agents this year. They're both young, excellent players and don't involve me giving away Jordan.

Also, I think this thing with Wake having four more years is something I strongly disagree with. Age is age. He only took one year off from football... otherwise he's the exact same age as other players, you know, his age. It's not like they play patty cake football in Canada. They play two preseason games and then 19 regular season games (followed by two weeks of playoffs if you qualify).

What's going to help him is his clean living and freakish work ethic, but age catches up to everyone. We saw the beginning of it this year when he got dinged and wasn't able to come back very fast. That's going to start happening more, not less.
 
This is really a non-story. The whole thing originated from a series of Tweets by Armando yesterday where he said that Gamble thinks Jordan would be a 3-4 stud linebacker. Armando then went on to SPECULATE that maybe the Eagles would offer the 22nd overall pick for him. Obviously once that gets passed through a few people the story has morphed into Gamble wanting to trade for Jordan, even though that isn't the case at this point.

It's really incredible, isn't it?

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Please post less.
 
I don't agree with that kind of thinking. First off, we don't really know yet how good the top of that first round was. All we have is what people said. The 2005 draft was notoriously weak at the top but that first round also produced one of the best players in the NFL in Aaron Rodgers.

The bottom line is, your chances of winning a transaction when you trade the #3 overall pick for next year's #22 overall pick are poor at best. Your goal as an organization should be to get other teams to fall for that kind of thinking, trading away their high pick for a lower one soon after, not the other way around.



A few things. The Eagles aren't going to trade Lane Johnson and their first for Dion Jordan. That's crazy talk for the exact reason I'm mentioning above. They're not giving away the #4 overall pick and another first for the #3 overall pick in the draft where they picked #4. Why the hell would they do that? Evan Mathis on the other hand, while a terrific player, is a 32 year old guard. How many more great years does he really have left... and even if he has great years left, they're guard years, and guards ain't exactly the most valuable player on your football team.

As an organization we should be able to acquire a good guard without trading away a player who plays a difference making position like pass rusher. Alex Mack and Zane Beadles are both scheduled to be unrestricted free agents this year. They're both young, excellent players and don't involve me giving away Jordan.

Also, I think this thing with Wake having four more years is something I strongly disagree with. Age is age. He only took one year off from football... otherwise he's the exact same age as other players, you know, his age. It's not like they play patty cake football in Canada. They play two preseason games and then 19 regular season games (followed by two weeks of playoffs if you qualify).

What's going to help him is his clean living and freakish work ethic, but age catches up to everyone. We saw the beginning of it this year when he got dinged and wasn't able to come back very fast. That's going to start happening more, not less.

Those are ridiculous offers because Jordan has a lot of potential. By no means am I saying we should trade him, but if Philly offered Mathis or Lane Johnson and the #22 pick I would do it. And I think it's fair to say that this draft class is much better in the top 10. Neither Eric Fisher, Luke Joeckel, Dion Jordan, Lane Johnson, or Ziggy Ansah would likely be a top 10 pick this year.
 
I'd trade him in a nanosecond. I can get Kareem Martin in the 3rd round this year by the looks of it as a pass rusher. Plus Jordan is a non impact player, we were dumb to draft him let alone give up so much for him.
 
With the way that guy can cover TE's and the upside he has as a pass rusher you would have to pay big time, much like PhinzN703 has posted. Philbin and co have shown they don't like throwing the rookies in the mix until they have to and are 100% acclimated to the NFL. I expect Jordan to have a Vernon type emergence next year.

I'm not saying Jordan isn't valuable to Miami. I'd like to see his progress next year for sure. But if Philly real does want him then they need to give adequate compensation for his potential.

I want Jordan on the Dolphins.

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I'd do it.

Draft Kelvin Bejamin and Calvin Pryor/Haha Dix

A human being is actually named Haha Dix?
 
Those are ridiculous offers because Jordan has a lot of potential. By no means am I saying we should trade him, but if Philly offered Mathis or Lane Johnson and the #22 pick I would do it. And I think it's fair to say that this draft class is much better in the top 10. Neither Eric Fisher, Luke Joeckel, Dion Jordan, Lane Johnson, or Ziggy Ansah would likely be a top 10 pick this year.

If they offered Lane Johnson and the #22 overall pick I would do it. That would be gaining value by the standard I just mentioned. If you're in the room in 2013 and Philly offers to go from #4 to #3 in exchange for their first rounder the next year, you do it, right? That's what I'm talking about here.

Factoring in whether Dion Jordan is good or Lane Johnson is good shouldn't be part of the discussion, imo. It's too early for know the answer on those things for sure. Too much guesswork. At this point and in this kind of conversation I think it's still better to look at them as the draft picks they were selected at and let the law of averages take it's course.

FWIW I do think both Joeckel or Fisher -- perhaps both but at minimum one of them -- would be top 10 picks this year. I think Joeckel was a better prospect last year than Jake Matthews is this year and is a top 10 pick in just about any year. Fisher I have lower than Matthews but certainly in the same mix. The point being, Matthews has been a top 10 pick in most mocks I've seen.

Evan Mathis... no sale.
 
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Ha Ha Clinton-Dix..... that's what I imagine Gennifer Flowers and Monica Lewinsky say to each other when they look at each others photo albums.
 
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wait a year, see where he goes. You always know he has his eyes on him.
 
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