Tua's Next. Be prepared.

[MARINO1384]

But, see that's the point I am trying to make.

In fairness, I was wrong about Jackson. He doesn't get hurt every year like I thought, had 1 bad Injury 2 seasons ago, but other then that he's reliable health wise.

Right now, Miami is already starting the season with the 6th linemen from last year as a starter, in Eichenberg.
Wynn, last 5 years the most games he's started was 15. No other season did he start over 10. He averages about 9.5 games starting/ played over the last 5 years.
Then there's Armstead.

Right now, based on the last 5 years of consistent Injuries. Miami has to plan for about 6-9 games, where they will be playing their 6th/7th and 8th linemen together, which you acknowledged we should not expect great play. 6-9 games. We're talking almost half the season here. Most likely the 2nd half.

Brewer, upgrade from Eichenberg, but a HUGE downgrade from Williams pass blocking wise. This is going to be a constant problem all season

As long as Eich doesn’t play C they’ll be fine.

Both Eich and Robert Jones had good block win rates at guard. Personally I think Jones starts over Eich at RG, he was very good there.

Hard to grade Brewer, he’s a monster in the run game but who knows how he’ll be as a pass blocker. Williams was not elite prior to Miami however when he was asked to play to his strengths in Miami he became elite. Brewer will also be asked to play to his strengths. Judging Brewers pass blocking based on a titans system that wasn’t a fit for him and with qb’s who we personally witnessed like Tannehill who holds onto the ball way to long and has awful pocket presence, really isn’t a great way to judge Brewer.

As for Wynn, yeah hope he stays healthy. Eventually he needs to play a full season or two if he ever wants to get paid. This is a guy who if he stayed at LT for the pats would be making 10-15 million a year. He was very good at LT. I’m okay with Jones at Rg and Eich at Lg if Wynn goes down.

Again the key is C and not having Eich there. Every other combination that didn’t have him at C was solid. Also have Driscoll who had a season at rg a few seasons ago that was fantastic.

 

[Ray R]

At this point…best Grier can do is structure something that can get the Dolphins out of the contract as quickly as possible…in case Tua continues to fail in big games.

We were talking about Tua, not your sex life! - LOL

 

[Ray R]

You have missed my point. Its not 6 years ago to 10 years ago. Its the last 6 years to 10 years - from 2014 to 2024. Thats inclusive. And someone else bought the O line into the conversation as it was directly relevant to Tua's health behind this O line.

Miami have signed players, drafted players to fill these gaps, play these positions. The post june cuts are still coming, they havent stopped looking or signing. Miami's O line is not one of the worst pass blocking lines in the league. PFF has them 25th, PFN 22nd, The Game day 16th, The Football guys 13th, so really, they are not one the worst O lines.
Brewer was ranked 11 by PFF, cant find anymore individual rankings, so thats what I have to go off.

You missed his point; that is, you have no point! - LOL

 

[Finlawyer]

Tua sucks on 3rd down. Mahomes is great. There is the difference. Miami runs a gimmick offense (throw to a spot) to prevent 3rd and longs. Tua cannot keep plays alive with his legs and his arm strength does not instill fear. Miami scores points but when the chips are down late in the game, time and again, Tua has folded against decent teams.

 

[Ray R]

Tua sucks on 3rd down. Mahomes is great. There is the difference. Miami runs a gimmick offense (throw to a spot) to prevent 3rd and longs. Tua cannot keep plays alive with his legs and his arm strength does not instill fear. Miami scores points but when the chips are down late in the game, time and again, Tua has folded against decent teams.

Don't keep confusing a QB's ability with the effectiveness of the play being called. - LOL

 

[andyahs]

Tua sucks on 3rd down. Mahomes is great. There is the difference. Miami runs a gimmick offense (throw to a spot) to prevent 3rd and longs. Tua cannot keep plays alive with his legs and his arm strength does not instill fear. Miami scores points but when the chips are down late in the game, time and again, Tua has folded against decent teams.

Thanks.

Tua's still getting paid despite your feelings.

 

[Scotty_P]

Every single GM and scout in the NFL would take him in their top 5 going forward in a QB draft

So if every active NFL QB was in a draft right now, Lawrence is a top 5 pick? Doubt that. Highly doubt that.

I mean Mahomes. Rodgers, Stafford would be in the top 5...then arguably, Burrow, Allen. I could put at least 5 more before Trevor.

 

[E30M3]

Tua sucks on 3rd down. Mahomes is great. There is the difference. Miami runs a gimmick offense (throw to a spot) to prevent 3rd and longs. Tua cannot keep plays alive with his legs and his arm strength does not instill fear. Miami scores points but when the chips are down late in the game, time and again, Tua has folded against decent teams.

 

[Bob512]

Tua sucks on 3rd down. Mahomes is great. There is the difference. Miami runs a gimmick offense (throw to a spot) to prevent 3rd and longs. Tua cannot keep plays alive with his legs and his arm strength does not instill fear. Miami scores points but when the chips are down late in the game, time and again, Tua has folded against decent teams.

Have you ever tried to look up Tua's numbers on third down? Neither did I until you posted this.....

In 2023 he had a 102.5% passer rating on third down
In 2022 he had a 130.1% passer rating on third down

I understand the frustration at times......but to say he sucks on third down doesn't seem to line up with the facts.....

 

[Finlawyer]

Thanks.

Tua's still getting paid despite your feelings.

Running most of the offense to Tyreek does not work against physical teams. Tua cannot buy enough time to hit second or third reads. Josh Allen has a cannon and Tua has a noodle. Tua has great anticipation but does not fare well against an effective blitz. You can win a super bowl with Tua but you will not win one because of Tua. This being said, he is worth $40M per year on a 4-year deal. An injury prone QB has a lower shelf life and misses games.

 

[Mach2]

Thanks.

Tua's still getting paid despite your feelings.

What kind of argument that, besides a tired and meaningless one?

Watson got paid and it was a huge mistake. He sucks.

Not equating Tua to Watson but the fact that a player gets "paid" is not really addressing whether or not it is the best thing for the franchise.

Now I understand you truly believe that is the best course and given the circumstances I agree.

It just comes across as more of an "I told you so" , rather than "I want what's best for the team".

There can be different opinions on what's best. Wouldn't be nice if ppl just respectfully debated that, rather than posting one line, drive by insults?

Taking someone's opinion of a person none of us even knows on an individual level (Tua) as a personal insult is not only cultish behavior, but very strange on the surface.

I mean someone insults your wife or child, for example, is one thing. Making a statement about a multimillionaire public sports figure is a completely different thing.

 

[Mach2]

Have you ever tried to look up Tua's numbers on third down? Neither did I until you posted this.....

In 2023 he had a 102.5% passer rating on third down
In 2022 he had a 130.1% passer rating on third down

I understand the frustration at times......but to say he sucks on third down doesn't seem to line up with the facts.....

Yeah, I knew that was an uninformed, BS statement as soon as I read it.

Amazing how many ppl make statements as fact from a position of ignorance (as in not educating themselves of the facts).

Usually when challenged they backbeddle, attempt to alter the context and/or move the goalposts.

 

[Finlawyer]

What kind of argument that, besides a tired and meaningless one?

Watson got paid and it was a huge mistake. He sucks.

Not equating Tua to Watson but the fact that a player gets "paid" is not really addressing whether or not it is the best thing for the franchise.

Now I understand you truly believe that is the best course and given the circumstances I agree.

It just comes across as more of an "I told you so" , rather than "I want what's best for the team".

There can be different opinions on what's best. Wouldn't be nice if ppl just respectfully debated that, rather than posting one line, drive by insults?

Taking someone's opinion of a person none of us even knows on an individual level (Tua) as a personal insult is not only cultish behavior, but very strange on the surface.

I mean someone insults your wife or child, for example, is one thing. Making a statement about a multimillionaire public sports figure is a completely different thing.

We all (and Tua especially) know Ross is in a "win now before I die" mindset and he will be paid more than he may otherwise be worth. The kid has endured and outlasted dysfunctional coaching. Tua is steadfast in his position because McDaniel gets the play in so late that Tua has no time to read the coverage before the snap. A deal will be made. Manning and Brady always had time to read the coverages and audible if needed before the snap. I want to see Tua and McDaniel make a huge leap but I am not expecting one.

 

[GRYPHONK]

Running most of the offense to Tyreek does not work against physical teams. Tua cannot buy enough time to hit second or third reads. Josh Allen has a cannon and Tua has a noodle. Tua has great anticipation but does not fare well against an effective blitz. You can win a super bowl with Tua but you will not win one because of Tua. This being said, he is worth $40M per year on a 4-year deal. An injury prone QB has a lower shelf life and misses games.

Lol, you inadvertently proved a point.

Tua cannot buy enough time to get to his 2nd or 3rd read? Since when is a QB supposed to "buy" enough time to get to his 2nd read?

If Tua has to "buy" time to get to his 2nd read, you sir just inadvertently proved the problem is the O line. Not Tua

Also, Tua was the #1 QB against the blitz last season. But hey, don't let facts get in the way of a good narrative. Am I right?

 

[Mach2]

We all (and Tua especially) know Ross is in a "win now before I die" mindset and he will be paid more than he may otherwise be worth. The kid has endured and outlasted dysfunctional coaching. Tua is steadfast in his position because McDaniel gets the play in so late that Tua has no time to read the coverage before the snap. A deal will be made. Manning and Brady always had time to read the coverages and audible if needed before the snap. I want to see Tua and McDaniel make a huge leap but I am not expecting one.

Not sure what any of that had to do with my post, and I wouldn't presume to know what is in Tua or Ross' minds.

I too would like to see Tua have more time for plays to develop, as I believe the offense we have seen so far in McD's tenure, while exciting and statistically impressive, has problematic limitations against well coached, playoff caliber defenses.

It needs to be expanded upon to become more effective against the elite teams.