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When the news of TLs contract broke, I saw a lot of bitching that Grier screwed the pooch by waiting because Lawrence's contract was some sort of new benchmark.

In reality, it isn't.

He will never see a season where he earns a true 50m dollars. Hell, it only even approaches that in 2028.

Not only that, following the 2028 season there is a potential out with zero dead money.

If Tua wants the exact same contract, call a freaking courier and notary immediately and get those papers over there before he changes his mind.
 
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I've gone back and forth on this ever since this off season started and I knew we'd have to address the Tua contract. On the one hand, I saw the stats and thought hmm, he deserves that. I'm a Tua fan. But then I think back to the games and think Tua's not Mahomes, Allen or Lamar. Why, when it comes to making that drive against good teams, something happens. That switch doesn't turn on. I go back to the 1st game against Kansas City in Germany. We're driving down the field and then it happens, "I think it was 3rd and 10. The WR to the left seems like he was going to run a curl. But the DB read it and played the curl, the WR read the DB and took off. It seem Tua couldn't made the adjustment in his head and luckily, the DB was now trying to catch the WR and didn't see the throw Tua made, which as we know, was a half throw that didn't make it to the Receiver who was 5 yards behind the DB. Tua seems stuck on the curl and couldn't make the adjustment. I was very disappointed, because the next play was the bad snap." I saw this a lot of times, sometimes you have to go playground. I think of the time with Mahome and Kelce against Buff in the infamous 13 seconds come back game. For the game time play to go over time, Kelce ran a inside post instead of the route he was assign because he recognized the defense and what it was given. Mahome could see and made the adjustment. Or Mahome running to get them in place. Yes Tua has that ability but hasn't use it since Mike McDaniel. For Tua to get a 53-55 mil a year contract, he needs to do this, until then he's a 49-52 mil in this current environment. My real thoughts is Mahomes should be #1 salary, evey QB should be behind his yearly cap. Here's the do this:

Add this back to his game and I want have problems with his salary.
 
What kind of argument that, besides a tired and meaningless one?

Watson got paid and it was a huge mistake. He sucks.

Not equating Tua to Watson but the fact that a player gets "paid" is not really addressing whether or not it is the best thing for the franchise.

Now I understand you truly believe that is the best course and given the circumstances I agree.

It just comes across as more of an "I told you so" , rather than "I want what's best for the team".

There can be different opinions on what's best. Wouldn't be nice if ppl just respectfully debated that, rather than posting one line, drive by insults?

Taking someone's opinion of a person none of us even knows on an individual level (Tua) as a personal insult is not only cultish behavior, but very strange on the surface.

I mean someone insults your wife or child, for example, is one thing. Making a statement about a multimillionaire public sports figure is a completely different thing.

Sometimes it seems certain posters are more Tua fans than Dolphin fans.
 
Sometimes it seems certain posters are more Tua fans than Dolphin fans.
Some do not seperates the two.

That's fine if there is consistency, though it doesn't seem rational or objective to me.

When there is no consistency, for example if one says Tua is our QB and support him unconditionally then turn around and trash other players for their shortcomings, that is inconsistent and even more irrational.

I won't question most posters' love for the team. For the most part if they spend enough time here to be familiar, I can only conclude they are truly Dolphins fans.
 
Tua is not going to sit out....

Some Gm's and coaches do not believe in Tua. At best they think he is a product of this offense and the brilliant scheme by the head coach. (Not to mention the talent around him.)

People knocking on Trevor Lawrence... Okay but he has half the talent around him that Tua does and the whole league knows it.
Tua playing out his tag years means he still averages almost 50 million dollars a season for the next 3 years.
People want to argue that the kid that some say is too small, too fragile, not enough arm, who is one hit away from being out of the league is going to sit out a season and give those critics time to keep repeating these things over and over?

Time away from the game would be the worst thing Tua could do.

Even if the Dolphins dug their heels in and refused to release him and he say out half a season for the next three years... He is not getting a record breaking deal. He would then be the QB that is pushing 30 without ever winning a playoff game. Some teams would see him as a backup only.

Tua and his agent may not like it... They need us more than we need them. No other team was going to change their whole offensee for Tua.. Bring in a coach just for Tua... Trade away the future just to try to win now for Tua. If the Dolphins had to part ways with Tua he would not go to a better situation. He would not have better numbers.

Going somewhere less ideal, putting up lesser numbers is not a formula for getting a record breaking contract. He would be better off financially and professionally staying here. If Tua does not want to be here and does not agree to a team friendly deal... Tag his ass and make him play out his contract.
 
A musical response to the Tua threads...



With apologies to Uncle Milty

Wow..... That's a hair band blast from the past.

I had that "Out of the Cellar" album (yes, album).

They were no Motley Crue or Def Leppard, but they they rocked.
 
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I've gone back and forth on this ever since this off season started and I knew we'd have to address the Tua contract. On the one hand, I saw the stats and thought hmm, he deserves that. I'm a Tua fan. But then I think back to the games and think Tua's not Mahomes, Allen or Lamar. Why, when it comes to making that drive against good teams, something happens. That switch doesn't turn on. I go back to the 1st game against Kansas City in Germany. We're driving down the field and then it happens, "I think it was 3rd and 10. The WR to the left seems like he was going to run a curl. But the DB read it and played the curl, the WR read the DB and took off. It seem Tua couldn't made the adjustment in his head and luckily, the DB was now trying to catch the WR and didn't see the throw Tua made, which as we know, was a half throw that didn't make it to the Receiver who was 5 yards behind the DB. Tua seems stuck on the curl and couldn't make the adjustment. I was very disappointed, because the next play was the bad snap." I saw this a lot of times, sometimes you have to go playground. I think of the time with Mahome and Kelce against Buff in the infamous 13 seconds come back game. For the game time play to go over time, Kelce ran a inside post instead of the route he was assign because he recognized the defense and what it was given. Mahome could see and made the adjustment. Or Mahome running to get them in place. Yes Tua has that ability but hasn't use it since Mike McDaniel. For Tua to get a 53-55 mil a year contract, he needs to do this, until then he's a 49-52 mil in this current environment. My real thoughts is Mahomes should be #1 salary, evey QB should be behind his yearly cap. Here's the do this:

Add this back to his game and I want have problems with his salary.

"Mahomes should be the highest paid QB" - if he was a free agent this offseason, he would be.

Be he's not, so every single NFL player, including Mahomes, wants to see other guys get more than him. If they didn't, Mahomes next contract would be the same value as his current deal.

This is called NFL economics. Everyone should understand this by now.

*Edit, sorry for my tone, but your lack of paragraphs gave me a ****ing headache.
 
I can't speak to what the majority think. I can say the majority do not know enough about the specifics of other top QB contracts to have an informed opinion.

They throw numbers around without any context. They have no concept of positional cap percentage allocated. They do not consider things like guarantees or potential "contract outs" and dead money created

HOW DARE YOU.................Describe me so well
 
Brewer is pretty terrible in pass blocking. PFF graded Brewer 26th in pass protection. I think they got Brewer because he's short and it allows Tua to see the field better, and he's great in run blocking.

Pass blocking doesn't matter much in this offense because the ball gets out fast. If it did, you wouldn't get Brewer. This isn't a see the field and throw to a guy. You need the offensive line to hold up in that type of offense. That's not the offensive system the Dolphins have built.
Exactly that's why we drafted a 6'7" tackle this year to make up for Tua's height. No more passing to the sidelines. You should be an offensive coordinator.
 
"Mahomes should be the highest paid QB" - if he was a free agent this offseason, he would be.

Be he's not, so every single NFL player, including Mahomes, wants to see other guys get more than him. If they didn't, Mahomes next contract would be the same value as his current deal.

This is called NFL economics. Everyone should understand this by now.

*Edit, sorry for my tone, but your lack of paragraphs gave me a ****ing headache.
I understand that, I said my thoughts are every qb not Mahomes should be behind him. I realize that's not the dynamics. If a QB is equal or close and sets the market, I don't have a problem with that. But until you acheive that standard I just think the best should be the best. I realize the real world doesn't work that way.
 
The advertised per year number is meaningless, therefore arguing on that basis is also meaningless and flawed.

What matters is guaranteed money.

There is no difference between 45 and 55 million fantasy numbers if the guaranteed money and term of guarantees are the same.

Take a look at the actual contract details and specifics of the top QBs.

Now you can take the completely understandable position of saying you don't have time, interest, etc to get that deep into it, but then realize that posting some random number like you did is not the reality of how these contracts works. It's far too much of a generalization for a complex $200m contract.
Thanks for enlightening us here. I could have been more specific and I did think to add, 150 guaranteed but still was uncertain on what I'd prefer with that number. So yes more research to do for specifics. As you've stated it's truly the only amount that matters... Oo yes and I should have prefaced that I'm just generalizing and not looking to argue or mentally maturbate with anyone over specific numbers.

All I intended to convey was that I don't see him worth the "50m" a year deal as the other top several qbs contracts have been written. I see him more along the lines of Kirk Cousins and honestly I would have preferred to have him for a couple years as a stop gap. I suggested the same for Mayfield before he went to Tampa. Having said that, Tua could be in the range with Cousins and Mayfield and that feels more resonant to me. I wouldn't have him in the conversation with some of these other top qbs. Not yet at least.

Gratitude for all the insight from the folks here like yourself that are breaking down the contracts in depth, because it truly is fascinating and will be explored when Tua's contract is completed and surfaces.

Ahh yes and I do love to see us cultivate tolerance for the varying opinions on where we all value Tua.
 
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