Tua's Next. Be prepared.

[GRYPHONK]

To be fair the online that was intended was fantastic. In fact the only game they all played together they put up 70.

The issue was injuries. You can’t put together a line with 13 different combinations and expect to be good.

Their depth was actually decent. Lamm was solid at backup LT. Eich and Jones were decent at backup guards. Had these guys filled in for injuries and played next to other starters they would of been fine, line wouldn’t of skipped the beat.

The two major issues were Lester Cotton then Eich at C. In the Tenn game which was the worst point it was Lamm at LT, Cotton at Lg Eich at C and Jones at Rg next to Jackson which is why they struggled so poorly that game on Offensive, truly an awful combination.

Any game with Eich at C was rough.

Had either Eich and Jones at Guard or Lamm at Tackle been the fill in’s or 2 out of the 3 would of probably also been fine however most times it was Lamm, Jones then Eich at C which again if a Eich played C, we had a rough game.

If any team is consistently playing their 6th,7th and 8th olinemen together they are going to have a rough time normally. If one of those guys is playing with the other two while being as bad as Eich was at C, you’re screwed.

Your last paragraph is exactly the problem.

Wynn and Armstead are injured every single year. For extensive stints. Jackson gets hurt also.

So this team is set up for a very likely scenario to be playing their 6,7 and 8th guys together. With Eichenberg.

You don't build an o line where 3 out of the 5 starters you KNOW will miss time due to injury.

 

[GRYPHONK]

It isn’t a weakness.

Terron Armstead is a Pro Bowler. Austin Jackson is a former first round pick and above average starter. Isaiah Wynn is a former first round pick and above average starter. Aaron Brewer is an above average starter. Kendall Lamm and Jack Driscoll are both above average backups. Patrick Paul is a second round pick. Robert Jones is the worst OL who’s going to make the roster and is a totally average backup.

You don’t like Eichenberg. We get it. He was a high second round pick. He’s still on his rookie deal and is going into his fourth season. The coaching staff clearly doesn’t think he sucks. We’ll see if they’re right or not in a few months.

This isn’t a bad OL and there really isn’t another roster spot available unless you want to cut Robert Jones. Durability is the only issue.

Well see. My issue isn't just Eichenberg.

This is one of the leagues worst pass blocking o lines. Not overall as they are good at rub blocking. But horrible at pass blocking.

As long as we have an offense that passes to set up the run, we'll continue to see late season offensive collapses and a suddenly inept offense against good teams, or good defenses rather

Be prepared for our Patriots/ Cardinals/Bills/Colts and Rams portion of the schedule

 

[artdnj]

To be fair the online that was intended was fantastic. In fact the only game they all played together they put up 70.

The issue was injuries. You can’t put together a line with 13 different combinations and expect to be good.

Their depth was actually decent. Lamm was solid at backup LT. Eich and Jones were decent at backup guards. Had these guys filled in for injuries and played next to other starters they would of been fine, line wouldn’t of skipped the beat.

The two major issues were Lester Cotton then Eich at C. In the Tenn game which was the worst point it was Lamm at LT, Cotton at Lg Eich at C and Jones at Rg next to Jackson which is why they struggled so poorly that game on Offensive, truly an awful combination.

Any game with Eich at C was rough.

Had either Eich and Jones at Guard or Lamm at Tackle been the fill in’s or 2 out of the 3 would of probably also been fine however most times it was Lamm, Jones then Eich at C which again if a Eich played C, we had a rough game.

If any team is consistently playing their 6th,7th and 8th olinemen together they are going to have a rough time normally. If one of those guys is playing with the other two while being as bad as Eich was at C, you’re screwed.

yes, that's the problem. I don't think we addressed the interior yet, hope i'm wrong

 

[Mr Fan]

It isn’t a weakness.

Terron Armstead is a Pro Bowler. Austin Jackson is a former first round pick and above average starter. Isaiah Wynn is a former first round pick and above average starter. Aaron Brewer is an above average starter. Kendall Lamm and Jack Driscoll are both above average backups. Patrick Paul is a second round pick. Robert Jones is the worst OL who’s going to make the roster and is a totally average backup.

You don’t like Eichenberg. We get it. He was a high second round pick. He’s still on his rookie deal and is going into his fourth season. The coaching staff clearly doesn’t think he sucks. We’ll see if they’re right or not in a few months.

This isn’t a bad OL and there really isn’t another roster spot available unless you want to cut Robert Jones. Durability is the only issue.

Tuanoners/apologists/whatever make the OL the endless problem. The OL last year until injuries was pretty solid and even during that injury time wasn't terrible. Furthermore when you have an army of blazing fast smurf receivers and backs there is really isn't much to block with outside of the base 5.

Spare the 2.X second time in the pocket for Tua, the offense is designed and predicated upon that, and there has been more than a few commentators who think that Tua is not a multiple read QB. I can make that argument as well as it has always been clear that the effectiveness Tua declines when his first read is not open and he is forced to move on or improvise.

The discussion is not about the viability of Tua as the Dolphins QB in this system with these receivers, the first question is whether or not he is worthy of being paid approximately 20% of the Dolphins cap. Second question is whether or not when/if Tua is paid in that way will it cause the team to lose the players that he needs to be viable? Could he overcome the loss of Hill like Mahomes has?

I am curious given this offensive scheme where the QB is basically just a point guard are there other options at the position the could explored? Do the dolphins need a QB in the true sense, or should they try to make the position more like the RB position in the sense that is almost fungible? The Dolphins scheme only requires an accurate QB with the ability to process 1 max 2 reads, not a 6-4 gunslinger with a howitzer arm, I am curious if this will be the trend in the future due to the cost of the position.

 

[zullo1]

I'm not sure this makes sense....

With the Franchise tag for QB's at $38M and likely to go up next year....you are going to spend around $80M against the cap to franchise tag Tua for two years (2025 & 2026)

Under Lawrence's contract structure (posted above) they are paying $41M against the cap in those same two years.

There is a LOT of flexibility possible in a contract negotiation and would allow the team to structure a deal that works in the competitive window the team has currently in place. Using the franchise tag doesn't do that. In my opinion, the franchise tag scenario is the worst one we could do.

Yes agreed, but it depends on the contract. If they dont want to lock in for a lenghthy contract, the tag is the way to go. I like Tua, but Im not in the camp of wanting to be saddled with a 5yr + contract for a QB that has underperformed in just about every spotlight game.

 

[JamesWsenior]

Yes agreed, but it depends on the contract. If they dont want to lock in for a lenghthy contract, the tag is the way to go. I like Tua, but Im not in the camp of wanting to be saddled with a 5yr + contract for a QB that has underperformed in just about every spotlight game.

Sorry are we talking about Lamar or Watson? Dak or Jones? Allen or ???

The only spotlight game that matters is the big one.

 

[marino13zach54]

But the guys who advocate for the team to let him finish his current contract are delusional...

You'd think so.

I thought/still think we're foked. How do you not pay Tua? What is a realistic alternative?

Now that I think about it :cue thought bubbles: bullygate, scar face OL coaches, collusion; if there's a ever a dynasty that embraces looking idiotic, it's a Ross dynasty.

 

[dolfan91]

 

[Ray R]

True true. I don't have a problem with McDaniel. I love him and believe him and Tua can work magic together

I don't blame him for Griers ineptness.

But McDaniel and Tua are screwed with Grier and Ross. No amount of Chop Robinsons and Calais Campbell's will or would have changed the outcome of that week 18 game against the Bills last year. But a line that could actually block would have.

This GM keeps doubling down on stupid. But atleast we won the off season again, without doing anything to upgrade our biggest and most obvious weakness.

Are you referring to our rodent problem? - LOL

 

[djphinfan]

True true. I don't have a problem with McDaniel. I love him and believe him and Tua can work magic together

I don't blame him for Griers ineptness.

But McDaniel and Tua are screwed with Grier and Ross. No amount of Chop Robinsons and Calais Campbell's will or would have changed the outcome of that week 18 game against the Bills last year. But a line that could actually block would have.

This GM keeps doubling down on stupid. But atleast we won the off season again, without doing anything to upgrade our biggest and most obvious weakness.

I can’t argue with your point here..they philosophically think Oline isn’t as important as someone like Harbaugh does.

We’ll see how it plays out

I would of invested more in the Oline

 

[djphinfan]

We don't really disagree though... I understand the Fins trying to get as low as they can of a contract, and I also understand Tua if he wants to get as much as he can while he can. It is what it is. Both parties would be incompetent if they weren't doing what they're doing now. So I'm good.

im not saying for us to low ball him, I’m just saying there are things the player can agree to to help the teams cap situation, I expect him to do that

 

[JamesWsenior]

im not saying for us to low ball him, I’m just saying there are things the player can agree to to help the teams cap situation, I expect him to do that

Would you?

 

[djphinfan]

Would you?

Absolutely, the better the team around me the better I feel and am more confident, the better I perform, better our team performs, all that can have a residual affect on my brand and image, which all has monetary value that I can capitalize on.

 

[BROGS]

Absolutely, the better the team around me the better I feel and am more confident, the better I perform, better our team performs, all that can have a residual affect on my brand and image, which all has monetary value that I can capitalize on.

Nfl player agents wouldn't agree.

 

[JamesWsenior]

Absolutely, the better the team around me the better I feel and am more confident, the better I perform, better our team performs, all that can have a residual affect on my brand and image, which all has monetary value that I can capitalize on.

Maybe just if I was a ten year vet with 300 million in career earnings but no ring to show I take one for the team but asking a someone negotiating his second contract to say "hey pay me 25 percent less than the going rate" is not realistic IMO.