Tua's Next. Be prepared.

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Depends on who it is, how old they are, how consistent they have been, etc.

In this case I have my doubts. Not because I dislike Tua, but because I think, for one thing, there are many GMs who prefer bigger, stronger, faster. For another, not every coach has a philosophy similar to McDs. For another, it would depend a lot on where a particular team was at in the building process. For example, if they see themselves a a couple years away from being Championship competitive, it really wouldn't make sense to go that direction.

Even with all that, I still believe half the league would happily scoop up Tua for two firsts. Teams spend that much on an unproven rookie while Tua is a known factor, he has performed at the top of the league for 2 years now and he is young has been improving every year. Plenty of teams would take that over what they have

 

[Mach2]

Here's my confusion. If he signs now for $50mm, that's $25mm more than the 5th yr option. Yeah, he gets 5mm less per yr for 5 yrs, but $25mm more this yr and a new contract a yr sooner. I see no big difference

Usually the contract is structured in such a way that the 5th year money remains intact for that year. IOW he doesn't get more than he is already under contract to make for that year.

Now they can restructure, for example calling it a "signing bonus", thereby manipulating when the cap hit applies, but in the end, he isn't in reality getting more than the 23m for 2024.

That's why these advertised "per year" numbers are faux.

Look at Lawrence's actual contract specifics. He was advertised as a 55m per deal. Look at the cap number through 2028. It never approaches 50m until 2028, after which all guarantees have been paid and the Jags have a contract "out" with zero dead money.

The devil is truly in the details.

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Trevor Lawrence signed a 5 year, $275,000,000 contract with the Jacksonville Jaguars, including $37,500,000 signing bonus, $200,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $55,000,000. In 2025, Lawrence will earn a base salary of $2,000,000, a signing bonus of $35,000,000 and a...

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[Mach2]

Even with all that, I still believe half the league would happily scoop up Tua for two firsts. Teams spend that much on an unproven rookie while Tua is a known factor, he has performed at the top of the league for 2 years now and he is young has been improving every year. Plenty of teams would take that over what they have

Yes, but they don't also have to give the unproven rookie $200m in guarantees. Not the same thing.

 

[Induperator]

Wilkins is a DT, Tua is a QB. They're paid this high because they're the most important position on the field and the available replacement level players aren't likely to be starting material.

Grier: **** you play on your option.

Tua after playing on the option deal: **** you! I'm not signing your tag, trade me!

Then what?

No way Tua is going to sit out... and make nothing.

He would not necessarily love the tag.. but he would be making between 40 and 50 million dollars. Sweet Jesus I think he will get over it.

Other QB's played on the tag like Dak. Sitting out made zero sense.

 

[39wildman]

The Dolphins need be patient. Even if they gotta pay tua 60 million next yr. Paying Tua 57 million yr is only going broke or break dolphins fan heart in January. When he don't deliver in January. Tua and lawerence are good qb. They should keep there team afloat in afc. As fur as winning SB. It ain't going happen.

 

[andyahs]

The Dolphins need be patient. Even if they gotta pay tua 60 million next yr. Paying Tua 57 million yr is only going broke or break dolphins fan heart in January. When he don't deliver in January. Tua and lawerence are good qb. They should keep there team afloat in afc. As fur as winning SB. It ain't going happen.

Got it.

 

[Induperator]

Reegarding the tags...

This is something that the players and the owners agreed to in the collective bargianing agreement. If the players hate the tag then it is something that they can negiotiate for when it comes time to hammer out the contract with the league. Seems to me that the players the last few times have focused on and been obsessed with total revenues and the almost 50/50 split.

So if the players are willing to give ground on that issue they can pursue the issue of the salary cap tag

But if push comes to shove no way the players give up their guaranteed percentage of revenues... to fight teams tagging players.

 

[Mach2]

Reegarding the tags...

This is something that the players and the owners agreed to in the collective bargianing agreement. If the players hate the tag then it is something that they can negiotiate for when it comes time to hammer out the contract with the league. Seems to me that the players the last few times have focused on and been obsessed with total revenues and the almost 50/50 split.

So if the players are willing to give ground on that issue they can pursue the issue of the salary cap tag

But if push comes to shove no way the players give up their guaranteed percentage of revenues... to fight teams tagging players.

All that is true as far as negotiations.

Bear in mind, though, the NFLPA represents all players and all players get a vote.

The vast majority of players are never going to be affected by a franchise tag situation.

I would be very surprised if there's any overwhelming push by the players to give up something in return for elimination of the franchise tag.

 

[fansinceGWilson]

Usually the contract is structured in such a way that the 5th year money remains intact for that year. IOW he doesn't get more than he is already under contract to make for that year.

Now they can restructure, for example calling it a "signing bonus", thereby manipulating when the cap hit applies, but in the end, he isn't in reality getting more than the 23m for 2024.

That's why these advertised "per year" numbers are faux.

Look at Lawrence's actual contract specifics. He was advertised as a 55m per deal. Look at the cap number through 2028. It never approaches 50m until 2028, after which all guarantees have been paid and the Jags have a contract "out" with zero dead money.

The devil is truly in the details.

Trevor Lawrence | NFL Contracts & Salaries | Spotrac.com

Trevor Lawrence signed a 5 year, $275,000,000 contract with the Jacksonville Jaguars, including $37,500,000 signing bonus, $200,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $55,000,000. In 2025, Lawrence will earn a base salary of $2,000,000, a signing bonus of $35,000,000 and a...

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But the same is true either way.

 

[Mach2]

But the same is true either way.

The point I was attempting to make is that the 50m or 55m headline is irrelevant and not real anyway. It is meaningless press release fluff.

You don't know anything, and can't judge the contract without knowing the details.

 

[rent this space]

Yes, but they don't also have to give the unproven rookie $200m in guarantees. Not the same thing.

Well, weren’t talking about salaries and it’s true, they aren’t the same. But the new team doesn’t have to gamble on whether he is a bust or wait for a good rookie to develop. They would have an ascending but still young talent where he was legitimately in the MVP conversation the last two years. Yes, that’s expensive and maybe not for everyone but plenty of teams would jump at the chance. Also, the scheme thing isn’t an issue. Teams can switch in one off-season, the Dolphins did.

 

[djphinfan]

I respect Grier if he doesn’t just follow the mantra that is the dumb statement “ the market is the market”

Some of those Gm’s that paid their qbs 55 mill a year are bad at their job and possibly out of a job.

This theory that the market is the market is a ridiculous theory for a GM to follow.

 

[gregorygrant83]

I respect Grier if he doesn’t just follow the mantra that is the dumb statement “ the market is the market”

Some of those Gm’s that paid their qbs 55 mill a year are bad at their job and possibly out of a job.

This theory that the market is the market is a ridiculous theory for a GM to follow.

I think the "Market rate is whatever the Market rate is!" is true if you believe you have your starting qb. If teams are paying starting qbs between 22 and 25% of the salary cap, than that's what you need to pay if you think you have your guy. If you're not willing to pay that rate than you're not going to get a top level qb to sign with your team.

 

[Dynastybuilder]

All that is true as far as negotiations.

Bear in mind, though, the NFLPA represents all players and all players get a vote.

The vast majority of players are never going to be affected by a franchise tag situation.

I would be very surprised if there's any overwhelming push by the players to give up something in return for elimination of the franchise tag.

What players should be looking for is max % of salary cap similar to the NHL

 

[Gsmack_42]

I respect Grier if he doesn’t just follow the mantra that is the dumb statement “ the market is the market”

Some of those Gm’s that paid their qbs 55 mill a year are bad at their job and possibly out of a job.

This theory that the market is the market is a ridiculous theory for a GM to follow.

Could be said losing the only franchise QB your team has had in 20 years. Is being bad at your job and possibly out of a job.