Wallace has been \is the problem.

[DolfanDuBbZ~]

A 2nd year QB who had a terrible head coach in college, a terrible offensive coordinator in the pros, the worst offensive line in the league, no run game, throws the franchise's most TD passes in a season in 20 years, makes a body catcher a 1000 yard receiver not once but two times in a row and yet that QB is overdrafted at 8? Not buying that. I truly believe (and hope) that when all is said and done, Ryan Tannehill will have more Super Bowl rings than Andrew Luck and Matt Ryan combined. There I said it.

Out of my thoughts, that is what you took out of it.

I have held my powder on RT. I said when drafted he must start asap. Because by year 3 we would know what we have. He holes in his game. The difference between you and I? I will call him out for being the sub par qb he was in college and the none growth he shows ay times. I'm not a homer.

 

[Vaark]

Defenses who scheme him, think differently. Watching 3 men cover him, allowing Clay to be wide open is something only a few players in this league command against NFL defenses.

When RT makes a pro bowl, then I hope you hold the same standard.

And that's why we should have never traded Ted Ginn, let alone for something as low as a 5th. Although Ginn actually helped us win a game or two, basically it's the same "taking the top off the defense" with comparable production, haphazard route running, little contending for contested balls, running out of bounds, butterfingers and lack of effort for gazillion$ less.

 

[DolfanDuBbZ~]

How have Larry Fitzgerald's numbers looked in recent seasons? He must blow balls! He's nothing without Kurt Warner!

Some of these posters now days. Great post btw. Kudos

 

[DolfanDuBbZ~]

And that's why we should have never traded Ted Ginn, let alone for something as low as a 5th. Although Ginn actually helped us win a game or two, basically it's the same "taking the top off the defense" with comparable production, haphazard route running, little contending for contested balls, running out of bounds, butterfingers and lack of effort for gazillion$ less.

Your analogy is about as funny as your drawings.

Their absolutely no comparison between Ginn and Wallace. None.

 

[Vaark]

Your analogy is about as funny as your drawings.

Their absolutely no comparison between Ginn and Wallace. None.

And yours is as vacuum-visioned as some of the political "observations" you gratuitously "share" on here. :up:

 

[cleezy13]

Nobody should be judging Wallace or Tannehill until they have an adequate line that can pass block and establish the run.

Other than that your not comparing apples to apples. A bad line can doom an offense in so many ways its not even funny which is why you see inconsistancies because you can't establish any rhythm esp with no run game to open it up. What happens is your thinking your going to get hit rather than reacting and being comfortable in the pocket. With that being said though Tannehill did pretty damn good with that line and Wallace suffered a little and he should of because

1. he wasn't used right
2. he biggest strength is going deep in which case if you have a line that can't block that will never be successful, so right out the gate you take away your stud wr greatest strength. (Calvin Johnson wouldn't be effective if you have no time to get him the pill)

Pass Judgement after this year.

 

[DolfanDuBbZ~]

And yours is as dubious as your politics :up:

Yep my politics are on display in Missouri right now? Wonder how much those looters enjoy their 'free' stuff.

As for your comparison. You can't defend it. Because it is ignorance on full display, or a poor attempt at humor. Kinda like you using pictures of children with down syndrome to make fun of fellow posters.

And yours is as vacuum-visioned as some of the political "observations" you gratuitously "share" on here. :up:

I see you had to change your post. Your hypocrisy was on full display. :lol2:

 

[DolfanDuBbZ~]

And that's why we should have never traded Ted Ginn, let alone for something as low as a 5th. Although Ginn actually helped us win a game or two, basically it's the same "taking the top off the defense" with comparable production, haphazard route running, little contending for contested balls, running out of bounds, butterfingers and lack of effort for gazillion$ less.

Ted Ginnger 197 Receptions 17 TOTAL TDs came into the league in 2007.

Mike Wallace 308 Receptions 37 TOTAL TDs came into the league in 2009.

We could look at receiving yard comparisons, or lack there of. Or we could look at personal milestones at WR, or lack there of. The comparison to Ginnger, while envogue for the chattering class, lacks real depth.

Wallace: joined a team with a QB with 4 years experience and 2 SBs already under their belt... one of the few sturdy QBs with the improvisational skills to compensate for bad route running.

Ginn: joined one of the worst teams of the decade with a John Beck , a dink and dunk noodle arm with a 30% win rate against top 10 8-in-the-box Defenses, and then Chad Henne with Henning as the OC. More apples to oranges comparisons by the vacuum-visionaries,

Do you sell used cars? Your double talk knows no bounds.

 

[Vaark]

Yep my politics are on display in Missouri right now. Wonder how much those looters enjoy their 'free' stuff.

As for your comparison. You can't defend it. Because it is ignorance on full display, or a poor attempt at humor. Kinda like you using pictures of children with down syndrome to make fun of fellow posters.

"Ignorance on display?" LOLOL.. that's like Sammy Sosa calling Derek Jeter a "cheat."

I refrained from an obvious response cuz it would hypocritically emulate the kind of polarizing derisive political BS on which I routinely report you and others gratuitously trying to crowbar/foist inappropriate opinions into a football forum that could give a **** what anyone thinks outside of football. So carry on with your hard-wired agendized Wallace fluffing :up:.

 

[Vaark]

Wallace: joined a team with a QB with 4 years experience and 2 SBs already under their belt... one of the few sturdy QBs with the improvisational skills to compensate for bad route running.

Ginn: joined one of the worst teams of the decade with a John Beck , a dink and dunk noodle arm with a 30% win rate against top 10 8-in-the-box Defenses, and then Chad Henne with Henning as the OC. More apples to oranges comparisons by the vacuum-visionaries,

 

[DolfanDuBbZ~]

"Ignorance on display?" LOLOL.. that's like Sammy Sosa calling Derek Jeter a "cheat."

I refrained from an obvious response cuz it would hypocritically emulate the kind of polarizing derisive political BS on which I routinely report you and others gratuitously trying to crowbar/foist inappropriate opinions into a football forum that could give a **** what anyone thinks outside of football. So carry on with your hard-wired agendized Wallace fluffing :up:.

And yet you brought up politics. What a hypocrite and..... but keep playing the victim. Its what you do best, or your ilk, anyways.

As for your comment on Wallace. I accept the player he is. Because he was that way when he signed.

And yet the great Vaark is so understanding and compassionate, he had to use special needs children to mock fellow FH posters for years. And it only stopped once lawsuits were threatened nationally and this website didn't want to make the news.:crazy:
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Wallace: joined a team with a QB with 4 years experience and 2 SBs already under their belt... one of the few sturdy QBs with the improvisational skills to compensate for bad route running.

Ginn: joined one of the worst teams of the decade with a John Beck , a dink and dunk noodle arm with a 30% win rate against top 10 8-in-the-box Defenses, and then Chad Henne with Henning as the OC. More apples to oranges comparisons by the vacuum-visionaries,

And yet Ginnger is going on his 4th team in 4 years. The WR depleted CAR Panthers didn't even want him back.

At least you admit sub par QB play with a sub par OC matter. Thanks for making another point for me.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

How have Larry Fitzgerald's numbers looked in recent seasons? He must blow balls! He's nothing without Kurt Warner!

Jesus, you make this too easy. He had 90 catches in 2010 with the all-world Derek Anderson at QB. He had 1400 yards receiving in 2011 with the dynamic duo of Kevin Kolb and John Skelton. His 17.2 YPC in 2011 was a career high.

He has played for 3 head coaches and 5 or 6 QBs. Great WRs adapt. Non-great ones don't.

Any more examples?

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

Some of these posters now days. Great post btw. Kudos

Misleading post.... Apparently you have the same standards for posting as playing WR.

 

[DolfanDuBbZ~]

Misleading post.... Apparently you have the same standards for posting as playing WR.

Should I go back to your post about PITT not wanting Wallace back?

Wallace: joined a team with a QB with 4 years experience and 2 SBs already under their belt... one of the few sturdy QBs with the improvisational skills to compensate for bad route running.

Ginn: joined one of the worst teams of the decade with a John Beck , a dink and dunk noodle arm with a 30% win rate against top 10 8-in-the-box Defenses, and then Chad Henne with Henning as the OC. More apples to oranges comparisons by the vacuum-visionaries,

A poster who believes as you, made the point I've been making all along. While trying to sound like he disagrees with my POV.

OC and scheme change matter. Going from a SB winning QB to a young raw QB, will hurt production.

 

[DolfanDuBbZ~]

Jesus, you make this too easy. He had 90 catches in 2010 with the all-world Derek Anderson at QB. He had 1400 yards receiving in 2011 with the dynamic duo of Kevin Kolb and John Skelton. His 17.2 YPC in 2011 was a career high.

He has played for 3 head coaches and 5 or 6 QBs. Great WRs adapt. Non-great ones don't.

Any more examples?

In 2012 he hit career lows only matched by his rookie season.