It's sad when a poster can't give his assessment without getting creamed. If his opinion of the team is what he has it at, then that's his opinion, you can disagree with the guy, but to call him names, saying he's not a fan is rediculous, where did we get some of you anyway? We used to be able to debate on this board without stupping so low, did we pick up some of the posters we've heard about at other phin boards? Go back. We want real fans who can disagree with respect..I've read a couple of these threads and have been silent, but this is getting out of hand and uncalled for. No wonder some of the good posters are checking in and out, but don't post. We should be able to look at our team as fans and also be objective in our assessments, that's the true value of having a board to talk phin football, pros and cons...when we have to just talk all pros and close our minds to the cons, then we cease being fans, just stupid, blind followers, with nothing to say. This board's strength has always been it's ability to debate our strenght and weaknesses on this team and to debate other team's fan within that context.