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what if...we traded B.Hartline?

A team would not give up much for Hartline, especially after injury. No value in the trade for Miami.
 
Id applaud it if we traded Hartline. Id laugh hilariously and jump for joy if we got a 2nd round pick for him(which wont happen ever, other teams watched his lack of touchdowns and his habit of tackling himself. When breaking film down leading up to a game against us, 0 coaches turned to their players and said "this guy cant be stopped").

Average receiver is average. Its irrelevant if hes our best receiver: that entire unit hasnt been good enough and needs to be more productive. That he has two 1k yard season doesnt impress me much: passing yards have shot through the roof in the last couple of seasons. Throwing for 4k yards used to be quite the feat, now the league leaders are throwing for mid-5000's. His lack of touchdowns is laughable, last season was a career high of 4. Compare that to Brandon Gibson(who will probably end up being the better player if he stays healthy during his tenure here) who snagged 3 in 7 games.

We need game changers at that position and we need picks to get those game changers. Hartline catches the football. He is kind of fast. And that is it. Those are hardly unique qualities in this league and if some team is foolish enough to actually give us draft picks for his averageness you take it and run.

Heres some food for thought to those who are obsessed with the fact a receiver hitting the minimum marker of whats considered "acceptable": Chris Johnson was just run out of Tennessee and could only get passing interest from teams until he clawed out a deal with a franchise that has a habit of dumping money into that position. He was considered used up. Not worth the time. A subpar player at this stage of his career. Despite that league wide perception, he got 1.4k all purpose yards last season. According to Dolfans, hes a great player who is worth more then a second round pick.
Running back not a good comparison? Fair enough, how about Josh Gordon. A player the Browns tried to trade away. Despite his front office selling him out, despite being suspended, despite the 3 headed monster at quarterback(Brandon Weeden, Brian Hoyer, Jason Campbell), he got 1.6k yards and 9 touchdowns. He was a former second round pick. And yet, Hartline shouldnt be sold for that? Right. Okay.

People on here need to have higher expectations for this franchise. Hitting the bare minimum of whats considered a productive season is not a feat worthy of praise, it should be considered a given. Brian Hartline is not irreplaceable nor will his presence instantly make us a contender. How do i know that? Because the two seasons he hit that super-amazingly-brilliant number people keep heaping lavish praise about we went 7-9 and 8-8. Look out Calvin Johnson, Brian Hartline is right on your heels! :bobdole:
 
There are reports that Miami might cut him after this season anyway, because his 2015 cap figure is just under seven and a half million dollars. If they cut him in 2015 it's a 4 million dollar cap hit according to this article. For a second round pick I'd drive him to Cleveland myself. I'd strongly consider moving him for even a fourth round pick this year just to get out from under his contract and avoid any 2015 cap penalties. Three picks in the top two rounds should easily give you enough ammo to replace Hartline in a draft where as many as eight receivers are projected to go in the first round.
 
When you have a young QB and he has a great rapport with a WR who just had back to back 1,000 yard seasons you don't trade him.

Certainly not when he is reliable, dependable, durable, relatively mistake free, clutch, good, and inexpensive. Throw in that he is bright, we'll respected and solid in the locker room and that is exactly the type of guy you keep.

No, IMHO it would be foolish to trade him for the next Pat White.

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Digital said:
No, IMHO it would be foolish to trade him for the next Pat White.
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What about for the next Eddie Lacy or Kiko Alonso?

I mean, not that it matters anyway; as other's have pointed out, his contract is immovable, but I'm flabbergasted that there are people here who wouldn't do that deal.
 
rob19 said:
What about for the next Eddie Lacy or Kiko Alonso?

I mean, not that it matters anyway; as other's have pointed out, his contract is immovable, but I'm flabbergasted that there are people here who wouldn't do that deal.
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Nope, sorry, i have it on good authority Hartline is better than those players.

Perhaps the next Alshon Jeffery or Lavonte David?
 
rob19 said:
What about for the next Eddie Lacy or Kiko Alonso?

I mean, not that it matters anyway; as other's have pointed out, his contract is immovable, but I'm flabbergasted that there are people here who wouldn't do that deal.
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Have we drafted Alonso or Lacey in round 2? The best 2nd rounder I recall our scouts getting us lately was Sean Smith. That's not exactly a glowing endorsement.

I guess I could have said Jonathon Martin if it makes a difference, but the point is that Hickey came on too late to change much. We will be using the scouts and scouting reports from the Ireland era this year.

Looking at Tampa Bay while Hickey was there they were hit and miss as well.

No thanks, one of the best parts of our offense is Tannehill to Hartline. I wouldn't sacrifice that for a shot in the dark with our track record of 2nd rounders.

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Digital said:
Have we drafted Alonso or Lacey in round 2? The best 2nd rounder I recall our scouts getting us lately was Sean Smith. That's not exactly a glowing endorsement.

I guess I could have said Jonathon Martin if it makes a difference, but the point is that Hickey came on too late to change much. We will be using the scouts and scouting reports from the Ireland era this year.

Looking at Tampa Bay while Hickey was there they were hit and miss as well.

No thanks, one of the best parts of our offense is Tannehill to Hartline. I wouldn't sacrifice that for a shot in the dark with our track record of 2nd rounders.

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You might have noticed that GM was fired.

He was also the one that drafted Brian Hartline.
 
To us, yes he is as valuable as a 2nd, but to most other teams, he would be a low 2nd at very very best, but a definate top 10 3rd rounder. The way Gibson was playing he could take over hartline. However, i wonder what you may think if we packaged Hartline and Moore for Clevelands 2nd round pick. That may be worth looking at.....
 
Dollar for dollar, he is a much better receiver than Wallace.
We need to replace our #1 and #2 IMHO eventually because of salary cap issues.
 
Spesh said:
You might have noticed that GM was fired.

He was also the one that drafted Brian Hartline.
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I encourage you to read the rest of my post ... Particularly the part about having the same scouts and scouting reports this year.

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Trade Hartline?

Why in the world would we do that, he has been one of our biggest producers in the last few years...
 
Digital said:
I encourage you to read the rest of my post ... Particularly the part about having the same scouts and scouting reports this year.

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Oh i saw it, i was just wondering if you recognized the irony of slamming the same scouts who promoted drafting Brian Hartline.

Teams turn their team around in a single offseason. New Gm's rarely gut their scouting departments right off the bat. While i dont have much faith in Hickey, suggesting we shouldnt have draft picks because an entirely different Gm **** the bed with his picks is ridiculous. Scouts pitch or promote the players they feel strongly about, its up to the Gm to determine who is right and who is wrong based on how persuasive the arguments are and the work the Gm has done himself. Ireland, ever the socially awkward ego maniac that he is, was unable to come to the right conclusions. It doesnt mean every single bit of advice that was given to him was worthless and flawed.

Just because we made bad decisions in the past doesn't mean we will make them in the future. If we can get fantastic value for a very average player, you make the deal. Even if you screw up the pick, the deal itself wasnt bad.
 
Digital said:
I encourage you to read the rest of my post ... Particularly the part about having the same scouts and scouting reports this year.

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If we can't draft better than we have been doing it doesn't matter whether we keep Hartline or fire him into the Sun. The end result will be the same.
 
Unless it's clear we get a steal of a deal, I wouldn't trade Hartline at this point. I think it would be detrimental at this point to give up a reliable target that Tannehill has built up a rapport with the past 2 seasons. I would give that connection another season and see Hartline benefits from another year of chemistry if you will between Tannehill and Wallace. By next season, though, if it's clear Tannehill has proven himself as our QB of the future, the team is on the rise, and we have a chance to stock on draft picks, you definitely gotta entertain that possibility.
 
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