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what if...we traded B.Hartline?

Is Hartline's salary for this year fully guaranteed? Because I think the nature of an offset language deal is that -- if we trade him -- we would actually owe him nothing this year. On paper his signing bonus might get accelerated (we have plenty of cap room to deal with that) but as a practical matter we wouldn't owe him another dime (since signing bonuses are paid in full when contracts are signed, they're only spaced out for budgetary reasons).

Similarly if we cut him then whatever another team signs him for is money that we wouldn't owe him. Say his salary this year is $4 million guaranteed. Then if a team signs him for $3 million, we'd only owe him $1 million.

I think that's how the offsets work. Perhaps someone could correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the whole idea of offset deals is that it prevents a team from paying a player if they rid of them and someone else signs them.
 
Spesh said:
Oh i saw it, i was just wondering if you recognized the irony of slamming the same scouts who promoted drafting Brian Hartline.

Teams turn their team around in a single offseason. New Gm's rarely gut their scouting departments right off the bat. While i dont have much faith in Hickey, suggesting we shouldnt have draft picks because an entirely different Gm **** the bed with his picks is ridiculous. Scouts pitch or promote the players they feel strongly about, its up to the Gm to determine who is right and who is wrong based on how persuasive the arguments are and the work the Gm has done himself. Ireland, ever the socially awkward ego maniac that he is, was unable to come to the right conclusions. It doesnt mean every single bit of advice that was given to him was worthless and flawed.

Just because we made bad decisions in the past doesn't mean we will make them in the future. If we can get fantastic value for a very average player, you make the deal. Even if you screw up the pick, the deal itself wasnt bad.
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Obviously those same scouts that selected Hartline also thought significantly higher about Patrick Turner. Their track record with WR'S is terrible, as is their track record with 2nd round picks, which ironically is exactly what is being speculated for a Hartline trade.

Whether you think Hartline blossomed into a player better than most scouts expected or that he was simply undervalued by the NFL scouts when he came out, it is biased to ignore the fact that he is a good and productive WR.

Expecting to get someone as productive with our scouts in a 2nd round pick is just horribly naive.

You may love to play the negative nelly. And it is clear you love to hate on our most productive WR. But surely you see the obvious folly in suggesting trading him for a 2nd rounder. Our chances of replacing him with someone as good or better are ridiculously low.

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rob19 said:
Turning down a deal with this type of value because your team hasn't been good at drafting in the recent past is doubling down on bad decisions.
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How?

What is the predictor that our drafting somehow got dramatically better? All I see is hope, and while I share your hope, I would strongly disagree with trading Tannehill's most productive WR who has great chemistry with Tannehill.

Hartline may not be worth more than a 2nd or 3rd to another team, but it seems clear he is better than our track record of 2nd rounders. Don't you agree?

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Interesting that we some want to trade a known NFL commodity, one that has put up back to back 1000 yard season for an unknown in the second round. While Hartline's game isn't explosive he still produces on the field and has proven he can do it consistently. Some value draft picks way too high.
 
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Csonked Out said:
Ya let's just go ahead and trade our most productive and consistent WR the last 2 years for a 2nd round pick. What are the odds that the pick is going to be even remotely close to what Hartline currently gives us. It irritates the hell out of me that once we finally get a productive player on the team that people just want to ship them out for picks.

Has anyone seen us drafting the last 5 years for Christ sakes....for such ****ty draft results we sure do have a lot of people wanting to trade productive players for picks. It wont make us better at all and his cap hit and salary aren't a hindrance to the team, this entire thread is just dumb.
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Thank you.
 
Digital said:
Obviously those same scouts that selected Hartline also thought significantly higher about Patrick Turner. Their track record with WR'S is terrible, as is their track record with 2nd round picks, which ironically is exactly what is being speculated for a Hartline trade.

Whether you think Hartline blossomed into a player better than most scouts expected or that he was simply undervalued by the NFL scouts when he came out, it is biased to ignore the fact that he is a good and productive WR.

Expecting to get someone as productive with our scouts in a 2nd round pick is just horribly naive.

You may love to play the negative nelly. And it is clear you love to hate on our most productive WR. But surely you see the obvious folly in suggesting trading him for a 2nd rounder. Our chances of replacing him with someone as good or better are ridiculously low.

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Speculated in an offseason message board thread, not amongst teams because he's simply not worth that, especially with this draft.

Everybody is replaceable, especially on an 8-8 team, even our most "productive" WR. If 1K yards and a couple of TDs a year continues to be our most productive and if we continue to **** up drafts as you have described, with or without Hartline on the roster, we will continue to be a mediocre team.
 
I'd take a 2nd round pick for him no questions asked. Just hand it over, please.
 
Lets be real.

Hartline would be nothing more than a #3 on almost any other teams roster.

Yes, he moves the chains. Yes, he is consistent.

But is he a game changer? No

Does he strike fear in the D's eyes? No

He's good at what he does, but we could obviously do better.
 
MRojas4 said:
Lets be real.

Hartline would be nothing more than a #3 on almost any other teams roster.

Yes, he moves the chains. Yes, he is consistent.

But is he a game changer? No

Does he strike fear in the D's eyes? No

He's good at what he does, but we could obviously do better.
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Could we do better? Absolutely. Have we done better? Not in quite a while.

Every time we get a decent player at a key position on this team, people immediatly start up with these trade 'em threads. What about this teams' track record has anyone beleiveing that we'd flip, even a 2nd round pick, for something better?
 
sm0kinfins said:
Could we do better? Absolutely. Have we done better? Not in quite a while.

Every time we get a decent player at a key position on this team, people immediatly start up with these trade 'em threads. What about this teams' track record has anyone beleiveing that we'd flip, even a 2nd round pick, for something better?
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Agreed.

I would not trade Hartline at this point. Rather look for a WR in the 3rd to bring up and take over.
 
MRojas4 said:
Lets be real.

Hartline would be nothing more than a #3 on almost any other teams roster.

Yes, he moves the chains. Yes, he is consistent.

But is he a game changer? No

Does he strike fear in the D's eyes? No

He's good at what he does, but we could obviously do better.
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Hardly....would easily be the number 2 on these teams...

Jets
Carolina
New England
Buffalo
Oakland
Kansas City
Cincinnati
Tampa Bay
Cleveland
Jacksonville
San Diego
New Orleans

If I investigated I could easily find more he would be the number 2
 
We should trade him to the browns :chuckle:

The last two games there may have left a bad taste with management. :ponder:

He must have been playing hurt in both games before they took him out, but if he wasn't hurt I would be looking to move him.

They must know what really was going on
 
Don't see a trade happening. I think he adds more value staying with the Dolphins than he would for another team.

He's a good football player I wouldn't be in a hurry to get rid of him. He makes his share of catches in critical situations.
 
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