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What Players from this Draft End up Being Elite?

I'd probably also add Chase Young and Tee Higgins as a couple more kids that have a chance to be elite from this class. Which was really the OP's question - 10 or so players that have a chance to be elite. That's all I got.

There's another handful that have a chance to be pretty good. Somebody mentioned a few centers....
 
Lynn Bowden, Etienne, Andrew Thomas, Ceedee, Sternberg, Okudah, Burrow, Tua, Edwards Helaire, Derrick Brown, Kennth Murray
 
Where does everyone predict Bowden will make himself elite in the NFL?

strictly WR? Or a a WR/gimmick role? Jack of all trades I should say.
 
Seemingly devoid of OL. A huge need for Miami. Maybe I missed earlier posts.

I'm gonna say OL Trey Smith if he declares, but I think that there's a good chance that he goes back to Tennessee to improve his draft stock. Stud player, would probably be a top 5 pick in this draft if he came out and the blood clot situation was resolved.
 
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Where does everyone predict Bowden will make himself elite in the NFL?

strictly WR? Or a a WR/gimmick role? Jack of all trades I should say.
Full time slot WR and KR/PR. Can play anywhere
To me he is a tougher Randal Cobb, or a faster Jarvis Landry. Steve Smith/Jarvis mix. A Yac machine as evidenced by his running ability when he filled in at QB this season. I assume he runs in the 4.4s and likely improves his draft stock
 
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I'd probably also add Chase Young and Tee Higgins as a couple more kids that have a chance to be elite from this class. Which was really the OP's question - 10 or so players that have a chance to be elite. That's all I got.

I noted that you left those two out originally. I agree they are more borderline. Clever resourceful players who can impose physically in some areas but are not going to be as athletically dominant at the next level.

I've already detailed Chase Young's less than impressive test scores coming out of high school. Tee Higgins ran 4.75 in the 40 during those drills. He'll be faster than that this spring but how much?

Overall these receivers didn't test as well as one would expect out of high school. CeeDee Lamb was 4.60. Jeudy probably had the best overall athletic profile among the top rated guys:


There is one variable that accounts for a high percentage of first round busts at wide receiver. The NFL ignores that historically the ideal height for that position is 5-11 to 6-1. That shows up basically regardless of what criteria you look at. Yet the league continually falls in love with taller guys and rationalizes that this time it will be different. Well, it will be different in certain cases. You'll hit huge. But I have no idea how they can be surprised when so many of the taller receivers follow the historical norm of not panning out, guys like Charles Rogers or Kevin White or Laquon Treadwell, and I could keep going and going.

It will happen in this crop also. Jeudy at only 6-1 is probably advantaged not disadvantaged. It sort of reminds me of LPGA golf in which 5-6 height is overwhelmingly the most favorable range in terms of enough physical power but also short enough to have a repetitive swing. The much taller more powerful girls show up and are hyped far beyond the 5-6 types but most of them have erratic disappointing careers.
 
I want Lamb, Higgins and Najee in the first round.
Lamb is a bigger, faster version of Landry.
Higgins so natural, wide catch radius, soft hands, catches away from body, doesn't leave ground unless he has to, long, tall, but quick feet. It's like Randy Moss.
Najee, just watch Najee against Auburn and Deandre Swift against Auburn. Talent is not close.
Gotta get these three in the first round.

what makes you want najee in the first round?

najee Harris almost seems like a clone of beanie wells. Probly even slower
 
I'd probably also add Chase Young and Tee Higgins as a couple more kids that have a chance to be elite from this class. Which was really the OP's question - 10 or so players that have a chance to be elite. That's all I got.

There's another handful that have a chance to be pretty good. Somebody mentioned a few centers....
Perhaps Miami can land two of the 10 or so elite players? Gil Brandt has always claimed that there are 10-15 true first rounders in most draft. I think that must be his elite group.
 
najee Harris almost seems like a clone of beanie wells. Probly even slower

Two things off the top of my head that make them worlds apart are, Beanie used a spin move a lot, and Najee does not. Two, Beanie at tOSU was a classic cutback runner for the most part, where OSU line would pile up the middle, or seal one side, and Beanie would cut to the other side, cut back runner for the most part. Najee is neither of those. Therefore, they are not clones. But I understand, you don't like Najee. That's fine. No one's perfect.
 
Two things off the top of my head that make them worlds apart are, Beanie used a spin move a lot, and Najee does not. Two, Beanie at tOSU was a classic cutback runner for the most part, where OSU line would pile up the middle, or seal one side, and Beanie would cut to the other side, cut back runner for the most part. Najee is neither of those. Therefore, they are not clones. But I understand, you don't like Najee. That's fine. No one's perfect.

I also lack perfection. LOL

I have a 3-4 round grade on him.

Can we make an informal agreement for one of us to point and laugh at the other one during the draft?
 
Two things off the top of my head that make them worlds apart are, Beanie used a spin move a lot, and Najee does not. Two, Beanie at tOSU was a classic cutback runner for the most part, where OSU line would pile up the middle, or seal one side, and Beanie would cut to the other side, cut back runner for the most part. Najee is neither of those. Therefore, they are not clones. But I understand, you don't like Najee. That's fine. No one's perfect.

I did not tank on najee. I asked what makes you want him in the first round
 
Tua
Joe Burrow
Ceedee Lamb
Laviska Shenault
Jerry Jeudy
Gabriel Davis
Lynn Bowden
Xavier McKinney
Brandon Jones
Kary Vincent
Jeff Okudah
Isaiah Simmons
Jon Greenard
Derrick Brown

Glad you didn't put Delpit on that list. He might cost LSU the title if he has a MUST MAKE tackle to execute.
 
I did not tank on najee. I asked what makes you want him in the first round

Combination of power, balance, quick feet, athleticism to jump over people and jump into endzone, and catching ability. He does not Cam Akers speed and burst out of cuts but hey, no one is perfect. I think he is a special athlete, special player, and I think he took a giant step this year from last year, and it speaks to the reservoir of talent.
 
I noted that you left those two out originally. I agree they are more borderline. Clever resourceful players who can impose physically in some areas but are not going to be as athletically dominant at the next level.

I've already detailed Chase Young's less than impressive test scores coming out of high school. Tee Higgins ran 4.75 in the 40 during those drills. He'll be faster than that this spring but how much?

Overall these receivers didn't test as well as one would expect out of high school. CeeDee Lamb was 4.60. Jeudy probably had the best overall athletic profile among the top rated guys:


There is one variable that accounts for a high percentage of first round busts at wide receiver. The NFL ignores that historically the ideal height for that position is 5-11 to 6-1. That shows up basically regardless of what criteria you look at. Yet the league continually falls in love with taller guys and rationalizes that this time it will be different. Well, it will be different in certain cases. You'll hit huge. But I have no idea how they can be surprised when so many of the taller receivers follow the historical norm of not panning out, guys like Charles Rogers or Kevin White or Laquon Treadwell, and I could keep going and going.

It will happen in this crop also. Jeudy at only 6-1 is probably advantaged not disadvantaged. It sort of reminds me of LPGA golf in which 5-6 height is overwhelmingly the most favorable range in terms of enough physical power but also short enough to have a repetitive swing. The much taller more powerful girls show up and are hyped far beyond the 5-6 types but most of them have erratic disappointing careers.

I typically dislike taller receivers, because quickness/route running, coordination, and toughness/aggressiveness, and ball skills are much more important than size. Those skills, or the right balance of those skills, are relatively rare, so it makes sense to me that you'd find them more often in someone closer to an average-sized man (not counting bulk/strength, as all NFL players have been lifting weights for years). If a player has the skillset, though, I don't think height is a hindrance. It's just that most tall receivers don't have those tools and got by in college by winning jump balls, which will be low-percentage plays in the NFL.

Tee Higgins has a good balance of those skills imo. The #2 WR coming out of HS, with a basketball background, he's smooth, quick, and doesn't waste steps in his routes. He also tracks the ball as well as anyone, and he plays well from the Slot, where he's among the best seam threats I've seen in a WR. DK Metcalf and Greedy Williams both ran 4.7 40's coming out of HS, and Draft Scout has his Higgins's projected 40 at 4.47 - with 4.57 as his high and 4.36 as his low. If I had to guess, based on watching him, I'd say he runs between 4.52 and 4.55, which would be right around where AJ Green ran, and his high projection of 4.57 would match Nuke Hopkins and Michael Thomas.

Despite only playing a little more than a half in most games, Higgins is currently tied for the Clemson record, with 27 career TD's. He leads the class in yards per route run (just ahead of Lamb), and he's PFF's highest-graded Power 5 receiver. Before his injury vs Ohio State, Higgins had two reps vs Okudah. The first, Okudah was in Off, and Higgins looked very quick on the 21-yard gain - broke Okudah's tackle for good measure. The next play, Okudah was in press with Safety help, and Higgins got a couple steps on him, but Lawrence put the ball too far outside and was a little late on the throw. Higgins still came down with an impressive catch, despite being injured on the play, but he was out of bounds.

My main takeaway is that Higgins is different from most tall receivers, even highly-rated ones. He's a lot more skilled and versatile. Lamb is my favorite, and I go back and forth between separating him from Higgins and Jeudy, but I think those are the clear Top 3. I know Slimm and CK (Chambers, too) are really high on Shenault, and I love his ceiling, too, but I think he carries more risk than my Top 3. Ruggs is a little tough, because he could be T. Hill or W. Fuller, and I think he'll absolutely be a valuable player in the NFL, but I think he's likely a complementary receiver in the NFL - more Top 40 than Top 20. He'll probably go Top 20, though.

I love that Slimm included Bowden, because he's a true alpha with uncommon burst and instincts as a runner, and he's more polished than you'd think - creates separation, tracks the ball well, and makes tough catches.

I think it's most likely that Miami ignores WR early, which is a mistake imo, but it is what it is. In that scenario, Bowden, Tyler Johnson, and Isaiah Hodgins are some of my favorites, and I think each has a legitimate chance to be elite. Just as importantly, all come with relatively high floors.
 
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