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When you have 12 WR's ....

EJay said:
No offense to you, Digital, but adages like these always cause me to roll eyes. People read or hear them, think they sound clever and buy into it.

But, like all things, nothing is concrete or that simple.

I’m pretty sure when SF had Montana and Young, they had 2 QB’s. When GB had Favre and Rodgers, they also had 2 QB’s.

I think most of us agree that MIA is in desperate need of play makers. They partially addressed the need with Will Fuller. Getting Preston Williams back healthy might also help. And so might the development of the young players already on the roster. Then there’s the draft.

Point is, the number of receivers currently on the roster doesn’t necessarily equate as you suggest. Not that long ago the receiver position was thought to be a strength. It may well again soon.

We shall see.
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Ahhhh! So you think we should have made a bigger push for Fitzmagic to be brought back!!!! Got it!
 
juniorseau55 said:
Waddle not worth even our 18 overall. If we really want a slot receiver then toney if he in 2nd round
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ummm, why is that? Have you seen his games? Guy is a gamebreaker, running, receiving, and returning. Im a Gator and Waddle is better than Toney. Waddle plays everywhere, not just slot. He will be the better Alabama receiver of Smith, you can book it.

Watching this makes my jaw drop:
 
Feverdream said:
Much of that he has ALREADY received as a signing bonus. We dont get that back.

edit: Here is the part that can be added to his base salary numbers (Parker can earn up to $500,000 ($31,250 per game active) in roster bonus pay in 2020-2023; along with a $100,000 workout bonus.)
Minimal numbers for a starter. The largest portion of the extra money was already paid upon signing. That's a sunk cost.
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We are just talking semantics at this point. You said those were his "salaries," but now I get u just meant that is what he will effectively cost us.

I'm well aware that the bonus money is guarenteed and we can't get it back. In my response to Crump I even said that the small difference between his salary and the dead cap he would cost (the amounts u listed) means it would make little sense to cut him.

Just a miscommunication. We are both talking about the same amount of money and don't disagree.
 
TheRevoltingBlob said:
We are just talking semantics at this point. You said those were his "salaries," but now I get u just meant that is what he will effectively cost us.

I'm well aware that the bonus money is guarenteed and we can't get it back. In my response to Crump I even said that the small difference between his salary and the dead cap he would cost means it would make little sense to cut him.

Just a miscommunication. We are both talking about the same amount of money and don't disagree.
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Yeah... I was wondering why you bothered to point it out... even if DVP earns every one of those game bonuses, it doesn't add up to much and he's still underpaid.

Sorry for the miscommunication.
 
dagger151 said:
ummm, why is that? Have you seen his games? Guy is a gamebreaker, running, receiving, and returning. Im a Gator and Waddle is better than Toney. Waddle plays everywhere, not just slot. He will be the better Alabama receiver of Smith, you can book it.

Watching this makes my jaw drop:
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Ok, can he do that in the nfl?
 
Digital said:
As the old adage goes, when you have two starting QB's, you have no starting QB. Soooo, when you have 12 WR's ... you don't have a starting set of WR's.

Quick breakdown, and feel free to add to this as we gauge this interesting position group.

DeVante Parker: Clear-cut #1, but salary is getting high, needs to be resigned in the near future, and has a long history of injuries. Given his age and Tua's youth, he's a candidate to be replaced if we draft a WR high.

Will Fuller: One-year rental, but if he stays healthy, he's our deep threat. Makes it easy to move on from Albert Wilson, Allen Hurns, Jakeem Grant ... and anyone else whose main asset is speed.

Preston Williams: Young, cheap, big bodied WR who likely makes this roster. He can fill in for Parker and provides a big target for Tua. Seems like the best bet to stick long term.

Jakeem Grant: Love this guy, but he hasn't become a great route runner yet, his hands are still subpar, and despite truly NFL elite speed and change of direction quickness, Grant remains a special teamer and subpar WR. My guess is that his days are numbered. There's a chance he makes the team, but I'd expect he is a casualty.

Albert Wilson: Expensive and not dependable. The most important ability is availability ... and Wilson is never there. Misses a lot of games from injury and the team carried him and his salary. Then last year he skipped out because of Covid-19 fear. When you're not there, team isn't going to keep you. Thanks for the flashes Wilson, and good luck wherever you land ... but it's not going to be in Miami.

Allen Hurns: What can we say ... he has the same issues Wilson had without any production!?!?!?!?!? Buh-bye!

Malcolm Perry: Hanging on by a thread. Love the person, kinda like the player, but he's a marginal talent whose main asset is his flexibility as a gadget player and emergency QB. But alas, I expect him to be a Practice Squad guy next year, not a roster guy. Thank you for your service ... and there are many of us rooting for you!

Lynn Bowden, Jr.: This is the main reason I'm expecting us to move on from Albert Wilson, Jakeem Grant, and Malcolm Perry. Flashed some talent and has the flexibility to be our gadget guy and emergency QB. We traded for him and he seems to be realizing his talent, so I expect him to make the roster.

Kai Locksley: A big guy (6'4) who played QB but was very bad at QB at UTEP. But, he's got some athletic ability, and looks like a practice squad conversion guy. Good luck to him, but this isn't the most patient organization, so he needs to show ability quickly even on the practice squad.

Robert Foster: Former Alabama player with true speed. Intriguing, but less so now that we've added Will Fuller. Might be a Practice Squad guy to develop behind Fuller, but its going to be an uphill challenge to make this roster.

Mack Hollins: He did a decent job subbing in for Preston Williams and Parker when needed. Big target who looks a bit like a move TE playing WR, so he probably makes the team as a backup and sees less time than he did last year.

Kirk Merritt: Is he even a Dolphin? Listed on our roster on miamidolphins.com, but it's been a long time since I heard this name. Not sure if he has Practice Squad eligibility, but he's gotta hope he does, because he's not making this roster.

Isaiah Ford: OK, listed on our roster at miamidolphins.com but I'm thinking he's not a Dolphin. Regardless, the former Dolphin (Former Patriot?) would be our Baker's Dozen, and I don't think he makes our roster. Solid player, but a backup at best.

If I had to guess right now, I'd say our roster includes: DeVante Parker, Will Fuller, Preston Williams, Lynn Bowden Jr., Mack Hollins, and probably at least 1 rookie. That might leave a spot open, and I could easily be wrong, but that's how it looks to me right now.

This is a fluid situation, so I'm not even sure which of these 13 are on our roster ... and if I missed someone. Please let me know. Kindly add your thoughts. Twelve WR's ... wow.
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Do you see us drafting more? Lol
 
fansinceGWilson said:
If possible, I'd like an evaluation of ST value. Biottom guys won't just sit around in case of injury
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Hollins was a decent gunner IIRC. It seems like Igbo might've been our best gunner. ideally a year removed from being a first rounder, you would hope that Igbo has progressed from being a gunner. If we carry 6 WR's, you figure 5 will be active on game day, i think at times we've only had 4 active on gameday. I could be way off, cause I'm drunk most games AND trying to go from memory of a season that ended months ago, but it seems like Flores used DB's more on the outside in Punt situations. Its another reason why i mentioned i wanted to see if Foster could handle return duties. It would give us a return guy that HOPEFULLY could be more reliable in the open as a WR.

You get someone like Waddle who is supposed to be super fast, a great returner, and a slot guy, then that always allows you to push Wilson, Hurns, Foster, and Grant back, since supposedly he can fill all 4 of their roles.

I dont know about you, but if need to replace Igbo on ST cause he takes a big jump on D, i really dont see Wilson, Hurns, or Grant filling that role. once again i know jack **** about foster except on paper he had a nice rookie season
 
Will be interesting to see how it plays out. Potential ranges from good group to playing backups by week 10 and complaining about no weapons again.
 
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