When you have 12 WR's ....

[Crump]

Those numbers are only his base salary and don't include the 3.3 million in guarenteed money he is owed all 3 years.

His totals are 8.95 and 9 mill in 2022 and 2023 respectively.

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Those are hold out numbers if he goes back to his 2019 productivity. Ive been thinking about that for a hot minute now. I'm saying those are even bargain bin numbers if he becomes our #2 and shows production like he did last year. You'd have to give me 100 : 1 odds if I were to think that he is playing in 2023 on the current contract. 1000 yard season this year and i see his agent wanting to renegotiate.

 

[TheRevoltingBlob]

Those are hold out numbers if he goes back to his 2019 productivity. Ive been thinking about that for a hot minute now. I'm saying those are even bargain bin numbers if he becomes our #2 and shows production like he did last year. You'd have to give me 100 : 1 odds if I were to think that he is playing in 2023 on the current contract. 1000 yard season this year and i see his agent wanting to renegotiate.

Wasn't posting that to say we should cut him. Just giving the correct numbers. The difference in savings and deap cap wouldn't be worth it unless he completely fell off.

And I agree if he can return anywhere close to his play in 2019 and gave us 1,000 yards, he'd be a bargain.

Golladay got 18, Agholor got 13, Davis got 12.5, and Samuel got 11.5 in a cash strapped year.

 

[Crump]

Wasn't posting that to say we should cut him. Just giving the correct numbers. The difference in savings and deap cap wouldn't be worth it unless he completely fell off.

And I agree if he can return anywhere close to his play in 2019 and gave us 1,000 yards, he'd be a bargain.

Golladay got 18, Nelson Agholor got 13, Davis got 12.5, and Curtis Samuel got 11.5 in a cash strapped year.

I knew what you meant, i was just posting that, the potential hold out nominee had been on my mind for awhile with that contract if he returned to his 2019 form. I just said F you Blob, you posted the contract, i'll quote it since its right there

 

[TheRevoltingBlob]

I knew what you meant, i was just posting that, the potential hold out nominee had been on my mind for awhile with that contract if he returned to his 2019 form. I just said F you Blob, you posted the contract, i'll quote it since its right there

F u too man... F u too

 

[Crump]

I'll just go top down per OTC

Fuller (no brainer) Interesting thing tho is, the way is contract is set up we only lose -58k if we were to cut him
Play wise, we signed him for a reason, pay wise, in the event he test positive again, we really arent in a bind if released.

Parker (no brainer) -3.7 mil cap hit to cut
Play wise, he's a baller when healthy. I still say that Gase wasnt playing him to be a dick and a handful of those games he missed during Gase tenure were more like DNP-CD, not DNP-Injured

Wilson (K??) 2.8 mil in cap savings
Play wise, the injury is long in the past now, he was showing signs towards the end of 2019 of being fully recovered, if he shows up to OTA's and doesnt look rusty, i think you have to keep

Grant (C??) 2.9 mil in savings
Will he ever learn to catch. I think we can draft a guy to do his jobs

Hurns (C??) i thought we were upside down on him, OTC shows a cap savings of 800K
If we can save 800K then why isnt he gone already, do we still feel bad that Rosen gave him CTE

Foster (K??) 957K savings if cut, only 100k dead cap
Know nothing about this guy, I guess with that contract you at least let him get into preason. his rookie year is what we would've hoped for out of Grant tho. if he or someone else can return kicks, I'd gladly take 27/540/3 over anything Jakeem has done

Williams (K) 850k in savings, 3k dead cap
For a contract of 850k a season, i say see if he can come back healthy, with almost no dead cap I'm sure he gets every chance to make squad

Bowden (K??) no dead cap 820K in savings
He;s in williams boat, draft position alone, i dont think we could stash him on PS. For some reason i feel like we want at least one gimmick guy available at all time

Perry (PS) 740k savings, 50k dead hit
I hate the thought of wasting 2 roster positions on this type of player, should be able to slide him to PS no problem

Merrit (PS) 660 savings, no dead hit
Probably could use a TRUE wr on the PS, let him battle it out with a potential UDFA to see who gets the PS spot

Cant find anything on Hollins or Locksleys contract yet. I would guess that they would be battling for PS spots with Perry and Merritt.

As far as Ford goes, I dont think we retained him

So predraft, if i had to guess..
Fuller, Parker, Wilson, Foster, Williams, Bowden make the squad
Hurns, Grant tried to trade for something or cut for cap savings
Perry, Merritt, Hollins, Locksley...try to work way onto PS

Would be nice to draft a WR high still. Would love to not hoping to have tosee something out of Foster he hasnt shown since 2018 or counting on Wilson/Parker to stay healthy. Plus i still dont trust Fuller 100% since his best year came on PEDs

 

[royalshank]

7 on the 53-man roster??? if you figure 3 kicking game specialist and 25/25 ration for the offense that would mean more than 25 % of you offensive players are wrs. If Miami carries 9 olinemen and 7 wrs that would only leave 9 spots for qbs, tes and rbs. I think 7 wrs would be extreme overkill, unless of course we're talking about the roster and the practice squad.

Yes sorry, this includes the PS where I think someone like Hollins or Perry would be.

 

[royalshank]

Those numbers are only his base salary and don't include the 3.3 million in signing (and other) bonuses he is owed all 3 years.

His totals are 8.95 and 9 mill in 2022 and 2023 respectively.

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Still not too bad though

 

[TheRevoltingBlob]

I'll just go top down per OTC

Fuller (no brainer) Interesting thing tho is, the way is contract is set up we only lose -58k if we were to cut him
Play wise, we signed him for a reason, pay wise, in the event he test positive again, we really arent in a bind if released.

Parker (no brainer) -3.7 mil cap hit to cut
Play wise, he's a baller when healthy. I still say that Gase wasnt playing him to be a dick and a handful of those games he missed during Gase tenure were more like DNP-CD, not DNP-Injured

Wilson (K??) 2.8 mil in cap savings
Play wise, the injury is long in the past now, he was showing signs towards the end of 2019 of being fully recovered, if he shows up to OTA's and doesnt look rusty, i think you have to keep

Grant (C??) 2.9 mil in savings
Will he ever learn to catch. I think we can draft a guy to do his jobs

Hurns (C??) i thought we were upside down on him, OTC shows a cap savings of 800K
If we can save 800K then why isnt he gone already, do we still feel bad that Rosen gave him CTE

Foster (K??) 957K savings if cut, only 100k dead cap
Know nothing about this guy, I guess with that contract you at least let him get into preason. his rookie year is what we would've hoped for out of Grant tho. if he or someone else can return kicks, I'd gladly take 27/540/3 over anything Jakeem has done

Williams (K) 850k in savings, 3k dead cap
For a contract of 850k a season, i say see if he can come back healthy, with almost no dead cap I'm sure he gets every chance to make squad

Bowden (K??) no dead cap 820K in savings
He;s in williams boat, draft position alone, i dont think we could stash him on PS. For some reason i feel like we want at least one gimmick guy available at all time

Perry (PS) 740k savings, 50k dead hit
I hate the thought of wasting 2 roster positions on this type of player, should be able to slide him to PS no problem

Merrit (PS) 660 savings, no dead hit
Probably could use a TRUE wr on the PS, let him battle it out with a potential UDFA to see who gets the PS spot

Cant find anything on Hollins or Locksleys contract yet. I would guess that they would be battling for PS spots with Perry and Merritt.

As far as Ford goes, I dont think we retained him

So predraft, if i had to guess..
Fuller, Parker, Wilson, Foster, Williams, Bowden make the squad
Hurns, Grant tried to trade for something or cut for cap savings
Perry, Merritt, Hollins, Locksley...try to work way onto PS

Would be nice to draft a WR high still. Would love to not hoping to have tosee something out of Foster he hasnt shown since 2018 or counting on Wilson/Parker to stay healthy. Plus i still dont trust Fuller 100% since his best year came on PEDs

In the end I just don't want our wealth of mediocrity at WR to impact our draft decisions. If we go WR early I don't want our 12 WR's to factor into whether we grab another if they are the best value. To be clear, I don't need us to grab 2 WR's. Just don't want us to rule it out.

This is the 2nd of two very deep WR draft classes in a row. When a class is deep at a position, good talent often drops further than it should.

And looking at that list, we are still an injury to our top 2 away from being in trouble. And they are well known for their issues there. Same w Williams and Wilson.

We also don't know how Wilson will look. I like him, and was great for 7 games in 2018. But he didn't look the same in 2019, and didn't top 60 yards in any game. We don't really know what we're getting with him at this point.

Plus Fuller could be gone next year.

I agree with your list besides Foster (Tho I'm sure ur hoping he's not on it post-draft). I do like that we are giving him a chance to prove himself as a camp body. Had a very impressive stretch back in 2018. But the fact that he made it thru ur cuts, and into the top 6, kind of proves my point.

Draft to build the team u want for the future. Don't look at ur current roster and focus only on filling perceived holes for next season.

Get Tua his weapons if the price is right. I don't care if we have to eat short term dead cap by cutting mediocre players.

 

[fansinceGWilson]

I'll just go top down per OTC

Fuller (no brainer) Interesting thing tho is, the way is contract is set up we only lose -58k if we were to cut him
Play wise, we signed him for a reason, pay wise, in the event he test positive again, we really arent in a bind if released.

Parker (no brainer) -3.7 mil cap hit to cut
Play wise, he's a baller when healthy. I still say that Gase wasnt playing him to be a dick and a handful of those games he missed during Gase tenure were more like DNP-CD, not DNP-Injured

Wilson (K??) 2.8 mil in cap savings
Play wise, the injury is long in the past now, he was showing signs towards the end of 2019 of being fully recovered, if he shows up to OTA's and doesnt look rusty, i think you have to keep

Grant (C??) 2.9 mil in savings
Will he ever learn to catch. I think we can draft a guy to do his jobs

Hurns (C??) i thought we were upside down on him, OTC shows a cap savings of 800K
If we can save 800K then why isnt he gone already, do we still feel bad that Rosen gave him CTE

Foster (K??) 957K savings if cut, only 100k dead cap
Know nothing about this guy, I guess with that contract you at least let him get into preason. his rookie year is what we would've hoped for out of Grant tho. if he or someone else can return kicks, I'd gladly take 27/540/3 over anything Jakeem has done

Williams (K) 850k in savings, 3k dead cap
For a contract of 850k a season, i say see if he can come back healthy, with almost no dead cap I'm sure he gets every chance to make squad

Bowden (K??) no dead cap 820K in savings
He;s in williams boat, draft position alone, i dont think we could stash him on PS. For some reason i feel like we want at least one gimmick guy available at all time

Perry (PS) 740k savings, 50k dead hit
I hate the thought of wasting 2 roster positions on this type of player, should be able to slide him to PS no problem

Merrit (PS) 660 savings, no dead hit
Probably could use a TRUE wr on the PS, let him battle it out with a potential UDFA to see who gets the PS spot

Cant find anything on Hollins or Locksleys contract yet. I would guess that they would be battling for PS spots with Perry and Merritt.

As far as Ford goes, I dont think we retained him

So predraft, if i had to guess..
Fuller, Parker, Wilson, Foster, Williams, Bowden make the squad
Hurns, Grant tried to trade for something or cut for cap savings
Perry, Merritt, Hollins, Locksley...try to work way onto PS

Would be nice to draft a WR high still. Would love to not hoping to have tosee something out of Foster he hasnt shown since 2018 or counting on Wilson/Parker to stay healthy. Plus i still dont trust Fuller 100% since his best year came on PEDs

If possible, I'd like an evaluation of ST value. Biottom guys won't just sit around in case of injury

 

[Feverdream]

Those numbers are only his base salary and don't include the 3.3 million in signing (and other) bonuses he is owed all 3 years.

His totals are 8.95 and 9 mill in 2022 and 2023 respectively.

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Much of that he has ALREADY received as a signing bonus. We dont get that back.

edit: Here is the part that can be added to his base salary numbers (Parker can earn up to $500,000 ($31,250 per game active) in roster bonus pay in 2020-2023; along with a $100,000 workout bonus.)
Minimal numbers for a starter. The largest portion of the extra money was already paid upon signing. That's a sunk cost.

 

[finmann]

I know many on here might slit their wrist, but we might want to look at the possibility with such a loaded WR draft class that Miami doesn't pick a receiver till the second round especially if we trade back....edge/ lb/ center are still needs on this team. Just a thought.

 

[Feverdream]

I know many on here might slit their wrist, but we might want to look at the possibility with such a loaded WR draft class that Miami doesn't pick a receiver till the second round especially if we trade back....edge/ lb/ center are still needs on this team. Just a thought.

Stop it, you are going to make them wet themselves again.

 

[cash]

Parker is old now? Wow time flies.

 

[dagger151]

Draft Waddle, drop Grant. Keep Wilson, he is great when healthy and we wont gain much cap relief cutting him.

 

[juniorseau55]

Pitts = better than all our recievers combined.