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Why the Miami Dolphins will be under .500

I figure we're going to go 7-9. Which is a pretty good considering we were 4-12 last year. It's all about building towards the future. Us finishing with 9-10 wins is just not realistic.
 
Let me comment:

Quarterbacks: Your Quarterbacks are AJ Feeley and Gus Frerotte. Feeley started 8 games last year behind a poor offensive line and threw for 11 TD's and 15 INT's. Not HORRIBLE, but far from good. Frerotte, a 12 year vet with his 6th different team has never proven to be that great. He had one good year in Minnesota in which he started 2 games and posted 7 TD's and 2 Int's. Other than that, hes been mediocre at best. If your O-line is improved, your quarterback play will be much improved but still, there isnt a LOT of talent here. I give your QB's a C

(....gus actually looked good filling in for DC. One of these two is going to step up. There is no way in he!! that they could play as bad as our tandom did last year. I expect this position to be an upgrade either from gus playing good or AJ finally reaching his potential....)

Running Backs: Lets ASSUME that Ricky Williams never puts on a Miami Dolphins uniform again. Ronnie Brown was a pretty good college running back had good stats, hes a big guy, strong, he'll be able to take a lot of carries and still run strong. But, he IS a rookie and no one knows how he will perform. And, behind him, who do you have? Virtually no one. Assuming Ricky DOES come back, he hasnt played football in over a year, and hes down like 45 pounds from what he was when he was in football shape. PLUS, who knows WHATS going on in his head. He might come back for one game and decide he doesnt want to play anymore. Hes a headcase who cant be counted on. So, unless Ronnie Brown busts out for like 1,500 yards in his rookie year which is highly unlikely. For THIS season, your running back situation could be a problem. I give them a C+.

(If we have ricky coming back and ronnie playing and lamar looking good how the heck can you rank this as a c plus. your crazy this is definitely an upgrade from last year. with ricky back this is an A....)

Receivers: Miami has got some pretty good receivers. But, underacheivers if you ask me. Chambers has the ability to be the best receiver in the AFC East but he hasn't used it. Only 69 catches and 7 touchdowns last year. Thats just not cutting it. Bringing in Marty Booker was a great pick up, he'll help the Dolphins a lot. And assuming that David Boston can stay healthy. Id say hes good for at least 45 or so catches and a few touchdowns. He is coming off major surgery though and hasnt played in over a year so who knows how he'll perform. Derrius Thompson, we wont even get into him. But, of course, your receivers can only perform well when your quarterback can get them the ball. But, assuming you have fairly good QB play, your receivers should do well. I give them a B.

(with that sorry o coordinator last year they were underacheivers. You will see different results with our new o coordinator. With a healthy DB we are already better.)


O-Line: Aside from Stockar McDougle, who has Miami picked up? They didnt even draft an offensive lineman until the 5th round. And hes not starting. Its pretty much the same O-line from last year. And if they preform like they did last year, Miami's offense is in for a loooooong season. Nothing really more to say about these guys. They just need to step their game up. I give them a C-.

(with HH we are already improved. (see sandiego last year) You will see drastic improvement here!)


D-Line: Your strong point. You lost Ogunleye who was a force which did hurt. But, the Dolphins signed Vonnie Holliday and Kevin Carter, both pretty good pickups. And they still have Jason Taylor. This unit has been pretty solid year in and year out and I think theyll have a good year this year. Taylor should have double digit sacks with ease. With the new additions I give them a B+.

Linebackers: Zach Thomas leads this group. Although hes getting up there in age, hes still preformed quite well every year. Junior Seau is pretty much at the end of his career and doesnt really look like the player he used to be at all. I dont really expect much out of him. Other than those guys the Dolphins are lacking. They drafted Channing Crowder who could be a great player for them, but they really need him to step up immediately. Ill say the Dolphins linebackers will struggle a little early but I expect Crowder to step in nicely with the veteran wisdom of Seau and Thomas to help him. I give them a B-.

Defensive Backs: The Dolphins traded Patrick Surtain which leaves Sam Madison as the leader of the secondary basically. Madison has been in the league for 9 years and isnt getting any younger. Hes clearly not the same player he used to be either. Reggie Howard could be a good player for Miami as hes had a pretty good career thus far. And Will Poole had a pretty decent rookie year, hopefully he can keep it up. The Dolphins got Tebucky Jones who im my opinion is very overrated. New England knew what they were doing when they got rid of him and they only benefited from it. And now Jones is on his 3rd team. Neither of the 1st two teams really had any reluctance in getting rid of him. (And you know its tough for me to say this too because im from Syracuse) Your free safety is Travares Tillman, a former Bills cast off. This guys really got nothing to bring to the table. He was nothing more than a backup in Buffalo and I really dont think hes going to do anything for Miami this year. I give the DB's a C.

(With sabans defense you don't have to have all pro corners to be effective. If the opposing QB don't have time to pass then that makes your corners look all that much better. With all the stunts and shifts and blitzes you will be amazed how good these guys will look)

Special Teams: Mare is solid as usual. And should be again this year. And Wes Welker turned out to be a great special teams guy for the Dolphins. The Dolphins special teams were pretty solid last year and should be even better this year. I give them an A-.


listen buffalo homer, you took a very pessimistic look at our team but i guarantee we will be alot better than last year. I actually predict a sweep over the bills this year. Rookie QB (2nd year) equals Int. Int equals dolphin wins..... 2003 we were a 10 win team.
 
muscle979 said:
YOu have decent points, but the whole basis of your argument is pretty much that everybody will underachieve.

Don't forget right now there is a pretty decent possibility ricky will be back splitting carries with ronnie.
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i totally agree. he took a very pessimistic view of our team. There is no way in he!! this team plays as bad as last year. we were a 10 win before last years collaspe.
 
Well hell must have frozen over today because I agree with the Bills fan. People, he's giving our team 3-4 more wins even with the hardest schedule in the league. Id say thats someone saying our team improved pretty dramatically. I don't think anyone here is realizing that going to 7 or 8 wins would be a big improvement and huge step in the right direction. To be predicting that a 4 win team that selected #2 in the draft is going to get a playoff spot or be over .500 with the hardest schedule in the NFL is kind of overly optimistic.
I think a lot of the posts in this thread have just been drivel. Shame. A fan of another team put some actual thought into a post (whether you agree with it or not), didnt get into a word calling contest and people jump on em. This is the main reason I stopped checking ESPN's boards months ago. A well thought out post, whether I agree with it or not, whether its by a bills or even Jets (ok that might be going too far :p) is welcome.
 
TOO biased if u lightened up a bit on some of the markings and pointing out some good notes i might of said good read but you were too against the team
 
This whole post was made up by a bills fan. By the way OC, did you even go to the fins minicamps this weekend? If so, then you would have noticed just how organized they were than last year with Dave Wannstedt. You have a lot of nerve posting that s*** on this site. Do me a favor, please do more research instead of just looking at a peace of paper next time. Besides if you would have looked at a peace of paper more closely, you would have seen that the dolphins offensive coaching staff is quite possibly the best in the NFL. Linehan and Highmerdinger are 1# and 1#, which is that they are tied for the leagues best offensive coordinators. Hudson Houck at line coach, I rest my case. I mean what more could you ask for. Go back to Buffalo and stick some snow balls up your a** for me, because that won't be the coldest feeling you will have when the dolphins play the bills this season. Never under estimate a 4-12 team from the year before. We are pissed off and ready to take names.:fire: :fire: :fire: :fire: :fire: :fire:

Mod Note: Personal... derogatory... smack... and it's not up to anyone here to tell any other rule-abiding member that they can't post. Present your arguments, but do so within the house rules. This will be your only warning. Next such post gets you time off.
 
Oc5er said:
Your coaching staff has improved no doubt.

But, just because Saban succeeded on the collegiate level doesnt mean hes going to succeed at the NFL level. Prime Example: Steve Spurrier.
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Your thread was good - some things i don't agree with other than that it made sense.

On the other hand - Comparing Nick Saban to Steve Spurrier is BS.

Steve never coached in the NFL. He did play QB for a 9 or 10 years, but that doesn't mean he learned to coach. On a side note I think if Steve would of went to a different team he would of had a better chance. That owner is too hands on IMO.

Nick assisted in Cleveland; granted he was an assistant, he still got to learn the ropes a bit. On top of that he coached at a few teams, building winners out of all.

Looking on paper as of now, it will be a shame if we win below 8 games this year. Like your post above we have some huge question marks.

Again 8 or more wins to me is expected. I hope my expectations aren’t too high! :D
 
Why is it that these Bills fans, Jets, Pats act like they are just analyzing, and are not being biased about it. I think it's more that they hope that something goes wrong for Miami instead of really having a clue. Redundant marks, Chambers hasn't had 1,000 yards,..like Miami fans didn't already know that. Good analyzing isn't just looking at stats it's observing many variables along with the stats, and watching a player play, injuries, also.Trust I have some stuff saved for this to prove my point if someone wants to say stupid **** against the Wr's. "The o-line, is going to be awful' It's actually going to be improved, O-line coach Hudson Houck, Stockar Mcdougle, and an actual coaching for once. Some dude Oscer, or something like that was claiming something in referernce to S.D that Miami doesn't have a L.T or Antonio Gates, thats just ignorant. R.Brown will be a good rb, and Michael is the 4th best TE in the league (Gonzalez, Gates, Crumpler, McMichael, Heap). Yes the secondary is an issue, but the line will be good, and the lb's will be good even thought they are "aging" Thomas can still play. Come on now, take off the tinted glasses before you analyze, and look at many situations than just the ******ed opinions, that are in clearview, and quite redundant that are just annoying, because every Miami fan is already aware of the possibilities, or stats, which don't prove anything unless, observed a little bit deeper. Some things can't just be denied unless another is being bias, most people that know football will admit that a player is great or good regardless, if it's a rival fan or not, like I said about McMichael. For example: Willis Mcgahee is going to be a really good rb, Eric Moulds is still a good Wr even though he's getting older, and for some reasons he doesn't play as well on the odd years, this upcoming season being 2005. I'll show a stats thing, but he could play like he did last season also, I can't say that won't happen, Lee Evans is going to be a good receiver, had a nice rookie season, and Losman, I really don't know. I could go on but I don't want to,this is not to all the Bills, pats, Jets fans, most on this forum, are pretty decent, but to the others, stop being ignorant, well, you probably won't stop being that way, but at least it's a try. Fans like that should be banned, for their igmorance, and utter stupidity. Well there you go. Thank you and have a nice day :)
 
Oc5er said:
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P4E

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Before I start. If you dont have anything intelligent to post, do us all a favor and DONT RESPOND. This isnt a post to "anger" Dolphins fans, its a post made to counteract all the homerism on this website. Its also my opinion, if you dont agree with it, thats fine. But explain why, dont just say stupid things like "OMG GO AWAY" and "YOURE A BARFALLO BILLS FAN." Thank you.

Quarterbacks: Your Quarterbacks are AJ Feeley and Gus Frerotte. Feeley started 8 games last year behind a poor offensive line and threw for 11 TD's and 15 INT's. Not HORRIBLE, but far from good. Frerotte, a 12 year vet with his 6th different team has never proven to be that great. He had one good year in Minnesota in which he started 2 games and posted 7 TD's and 2 Int's. Other than that, hes been mediocre at best. If your O-line is improved, your quarterback play will be much improved but still, there isnt a LOT of talent here. I give your QB's a C.

Running Backs: Lets ASSUME that Ricky Williams never puts on a Miami Dolphins uniform again. Ronnie Brown was a pretty good college running back had good stats, hes a big guy, strong, he'll be able to take a lot of carries and still run strong. But, he IS a rookie and no one knows how he will perform. And, behind him, who do you have? Virtually no one. Assuming Ricky DOES come back, he hasnt played football in over a year, and hes down like 45 pounds from what he was when he was in football shape. PLUS, who knows WHATS going on in his head. He might come back for one game and decide he doesnt want to play anymore. Hes a headcase who cant be counted on. So, unless Ronnie Brown busts out for like 1,500 yards in his rookie year which is highly unlikely. For THIS season, your running back situation could be a problem. I give them a C+.

Receivers: Miami has got some pretty good receivers. But, underacheivers if you ask me. Chambers has the ability to be the best receiver in the AFC East but he hasn't used it. Only 69 catches and 7 touchdowns last year. Thats just not cutting it. Bringing in Marty Booker was a great pick up, he'll help the Dolphins a lot. And assuming that David Boston can stay healthy. Id say hes good for at least 45 or so catches and a few touchdowns. He is coming off major surgery though and hasnt played in over a year so who knows how he'll perform. Derrius Thompson, we wont even get into him. But, of course, your receivers can only perform well when your quarterback can get them the ball. But, assuming you have fairly good QB play, your receivers should do well. I give them a B.

O-Line: Aside from Stockar McDougle, who has Miami picked up? They didnt even draft an offensive lineman until the 5th round. And hes not starting. Its pretty much the same O-line from last year. And if they preform like they did last year, Miami's offense is in for a loooooong season. Nothing really more to say about these guys. They just need to step their game up. I give them a C-.

D-Line: Your strong point. You lost Ogunleye who was a force which did hurt. But, the Dolphins signed Vonnie Holliday and Kevin Carter, both pretty good pickups. And they still have Jason Taylor. This unit has been pretty solid year in and year out and I think theyll have a good year this year. Taylor should have double digit sacks with ease. With the new additions I give them a B+.

Linebackers: Zach Thomas leads this group. Although hes getting up there in age, hes still preformed quite well every year. Junior Seau is pretty much at the end of his career and doesnt really look like the player he used to be at all. I dont really expect much out of him. Other than those guys the Dolphins are lacking. They drafted Channing Crowder who could be a great player for them, but they really need him to step up immediately. Ill say the Dolphins linebackers will struggle a little early but I expect Crowder to step in nicely with the veteran wisdom of Seau and Thomas to help him. I give them a B-.

Defensive Backs: The Dolphins traded Patrick Surtain :shakeno: which leaves Sam Madison as the leader of the secondary basically. Madison has been in the league for 9 years and isnt getting any younger. Hes clearly not the same player he used to be either. Reggie Howard could be a good player for Miami as hes had a pretty good career thus far. And Will Poole had a pretty decent rookie year, hopefully he can keep it up. The Dolphins got Tebucky Jones who im my opinion is very overrated. New England knew what they were doing when they got rid of him and they only benefited from it. And now Jones is on his 3rd team. Neither of the 1st two teams really had any reluctance in getting rid of him. (And you know its tough for me to say this too because im from Syracuse) Your free safety is Travares Tillman, a former Bills cast off. This guys really got nothing to bring to the table. He was nothing more than a backup in Buffalo and I really dont think hes going to do anything for Miami this year. I give the DB's a C.

Special Teams: Mare is solid as usual. And should be again this year. And Wes Welker turned out to be a great special teams guy for the Dolphins. The Dolphins special teams were pretty solid last year and should be even better this year. I give them an A-.

I expect Miami to win more games than they did last year, no doubt about it. And they MAY even finish at 8-8. But, if you ask me, im going to predict a 7-9 record for Miami. These are my opinions. If you want to know how I feel about the my Bills, Ill tell you that as well. Im not a homer as most people are. If you dont agree with these, tell me why. All I ask is that you post something intelligent, please.
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Solid post man, much respect. Although i am a fins fan and i am hoping for a 10 win season, the bills will be a good match.
 
I hate to say it, but ask any other fan and they think we will win five games tops. Even ask vegas... they are taking bets


100-1 super bowl odds


over/under 5.5 wins for the season (take this bet, it's a lock)
 
J Tes said:
First show me where I compared Feeley to Losman. Secondly I stated that Losman has great physical attributes. What I said he lacks is a head. I saw plenty of Losman last training, he has very good speed, a great arm, can make all the throws, what his problem is is that he doesnt seem to be on the same page as his recievers. He didnt read defenses well, and when he felt any kind of pressure he ran. And the play were he broke his leg was on non contact drill, by Troy Vincent. You know that dirty player Troy Vincent :shakeno: . The veterns were getting annoyed with Losmans show boating after his runs. Vincent didnt mean to hurt Losman, just to remind him that he's a rookie. Unfortunatly he broke his leg.
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It was a dirty hit, and I believe Troy Vincent is a bad fit for the Bills, I loved him with the Phins, but he said somethings that make me believe he is not a "team" player. Losman will have to do about 1/2 of what the Phins starting Qb will have to do in order for the Bills to be successful so that's why I believe the Bills will be a better team, and I don't think the Phins are as good as the Jets or the Pats, and I really doubt all 4 teams are at .500 or better, which is why I would be very surprised if Miami is over .500 with all the changes.
 
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This for the odd year thing I said about Eric Moulds.
Oscer was alright in some parts of his analysis, but He just didn't think through a couple of things good, enough. Don't worry Miami's Wr's especially will breakout and burn many team's DBs, I feel realy confident about unlike with the mess last year(read last post before speaking to why) Gus Frerrote has been doing well, sadly Feeley hasn't and at least Frerrote is better than Fiedler, and knows the system. Miami will go 8-8 which, I would like to do better, but 8-8 sounds more realistic than 10-6, but you never know, Miami going under .500? well maybe 7-9, but not 5-11, or 6-10, Miami was in almost every game last year, and this team has improved a lot this offseason, it will be 7- or 8-8 for Miami.
 
Admittedly I didn't read much beyond the first page, but I honestly can't say I disagree with Oc5er's analysis. We're definitely not a team ready to make a playoff run THIS season. 7 - 9 would honestly just be a nice step in the right direction in a tough AFC. We do after all have what is supposed to be the toughest schedule in the NFL this upcoming season. We have plenty of playoff calibur opponents to proves ourselves against this season.
 
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