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Why the Miami Dolphins will be under .500

Oc5er said:
You didnt even read the post.

Honestly, just dont respond if you have nothing intelligent to say. Good GOD.

YOu have decent points, but the whole basis of your argument is pretty much that everybody will underachieve.

Don't forget right now there is a pretty decent possibility ricky will be back splitting carries with ronnie.
 
i think the runningbacks deserve more than a C+ and as a whole our defense will be better because we won't be missing two starting DT's and saban brings a versatile and aggressive philosophy.


as for QB, i really don't think anyone can give a legitimate grade before the year is up. Too many unknowns and unprovens. feeley showed the capability to do well, so it could be a B at highest.. at the same time, if he gets INT happy our QB situation could end up in the D range.... by averaging the two to get C doesn't make sense.... the jury is still out. as it is on the bills QB.
 
Oc5er said:
O-Line: Aside from Stockar McDougle, who has Miami picked up? They didnt even draft an offensive lineman until the 5th round. And hes not starting. Its pretty much the same O-line from last year. And if they preform like they did last year, Miami's offense is in for a loooooong season. Nothing really more to say about these guys. They just need to step their game up. I give them a C-.

I picked this part of the thread because it is the most misleading.

You analyzed the offensive line without mentioning the fact that we added the best offensive line coach in the NFL. That's like discussing the Bills wide recievers without mentioning Eric Moulds.

Your analysis was deep but very biased and overly negative. If everything you say is going to happen did happen we'd go 4-12 again because you have everyone on the team underachieving.
 
outlawd2u said:
Sammy Morris was damn near spectacular last year all things considered....

you have absolutely GOT to be kidding... Sammy Morris is one of the most unexciting RBs i've ever seen... there were a few carries near the goalline last year where it seemed like he needed time to stop all around him just to get it in... no nose for the endzone... plus, he doesn't wrap the ball up when in traffic, has little juke, and was a fullback in buffalo!... c'mon...

Morris and Gordon were not upgrades for this team... Heck, i'd have given the ball to Leonard Henry last year before those two...
 
Oc5er said:
[Mod Note: This post is fine, but the thread is closed while I sort through it and start doling out lots of time off, maybe even a ban or two. See you all later in the thread.

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Mod Update: Okay... a couple more suspensions and warnings are done. I'm going to re-open this thread. But here's the thing: It's going to stay on topic. It's not a thread about each other... or the Bills... or message boards...

This is a thread about whether or why the Dolphins will be under .500, PERIOD.


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Before I start. If you dont have anything intelligent to post, do us all a favor and DONT RESPOND. This isnt a post to "anger" Dolphins fans, its a post made to counteract all the homerism on this website. Its also my opinion, if you dont agree with it, thats fine. But explain why, dont just say stupid things like "OMG GO AWAY" and "YOURE A BARFALLO BILLS FAN." Thank you.

Quarterbacks: Your Quarterbacks are AJ Feeley and Gus Frerotte. Feeley started 8 games last year behind a poor offensive line and threw for 11 TD's and 15 INT's. Not HORRIBLE, but far from good. Frerotte, a 12 year vet with his 6th different team has never proven to be that great. He had one good year in Minnesota in which he started 2 games and posted 7 TD's and 2 Int's. Other than that, hes been mediocre at best. If your O-line is improved, your quarterback play will be much improved but still, there isnt a LOT of talent here. I give your QB's a C.

Running Backs: Lets ASSUME that Ricky Williams never puts on a Miami Dolphins uniform again. Ronnie Brown was a pretty good college running back had good stats, hes a big guy, strong, he'll be able to take a lot of carries and still run strong. But, he IS a rookie and no one knows how he will perform. And, behind him, who do you have? Virtually no one. Assuming Ricky DOES come back, he hasnt played football in over a year, and hes down like 45 pounds from what he was when he was in football shape. PLUS, who knows WHATS going on in his head. He might come back for one game and decide he doesnt want to play anymore. Hes a headcase who cant be counted on. So, unless Ronnie Brown busts out for like 1,500 yards in his rookie year which is highly unlikely. For THIS season, your running back situation could be a problem. I give them a C+.

Receivers: Miami has got some pretty good receivers. But, underacheivers if you ask me. Chambers has the ability to be the best receiver in the AFC East but he hasn't used it. Only 69 catches and 7 touchdowns last year. Thats just not cutting it. Bringing in Marty Booker was a great pick up, he'll help the Dolphins a lot. And assuming that David Boston can stay healthy. Id say hes good for at least 45 or so catches and a few touchdowns. He is coming off major surgery though and hasnt played in over a year so who knows how he'll perform. Derrius Thompson, we wont even get into him. But, of course, your receivers can only perform well when your quarterback can get them the ball. But, assuming you have fairly good QB play, your receivers should do well. I give them a B.

O-Line: Aside from Stockar McDougle, who has Miami picked up? They didnt even draft an offensive lineman until the 5th round. And hes not starting. Its pretty much the same O-line from last year. And if they preform like they did last year, Miami's offense is in for a loooooong season. Nothing really more to say about these guys. They just need to step their game up. I give them a C-.

D-Line: Your strong point. You lost Ogunleye who was a force which did hurt. But, the Dolphins signed Vonnie Holliday and Kevin Carter, both pretty good pickups. And they still have Jason Taylor. This unit has been pretty solid year in and year out and I think theyll have a good year this year. Taylor should have double digit sacks with ease. With the new additions I give them a B+.

Linebackers: Zach Thomas leads this group. Although hes getting up there in age, hes still preformed quite well every year. Junior Seau is pretty much at the end of his career and doesnt really look like the player he used to be at all. I dont really expect much out of him. Other than those guys the Dolphins are lacking. They drafted Channing Crowder who could be a great player for them, but they really need him to step up immediately. Ill say the Dolphins linebackers will struggle a little early but I expect Crowder to step in nicely with the veteran wisdom of Seau and Thomas to help him. I give them a B-.

Defensive Backs: The Dolphins traded Patrick Surtain :shakeno: which leaves Sam Madison as the leader of the secondary basically. Madison has been in the league for 9 years and isnt getting any younger. Hes clearly not the same player he used to be either. Reggie Howard could be a good player for Miami as hes had a pretty good career thus far. And Will Poole had a pretty decent rookie year, hopefully he can keep it up. The Dolphins got Tebucky Jones who im my opinion is very overrated. New England knew what they were doing when they got rid of him and they only benefited from it. And now Jones is on his 3rd team. Neither of the 1st two teams really had any reluctance in getting rid of him. (And you know its tough for me to say this too because im from Syracuse) Your free safety is Travares Tillman, a former Bills cast off. This guys really got nothing to bring to the table. He was nothing more than a backup in Buffalo and I really dont think hes going to do anything for Miami this year. I give the DB's a C.

Special Teams: Mare is solid as usual. And should be again this year. And Wes Welker turned out to be a great special teams guy for the Dolphins. The Dolphins special teams were pretty solid last year and should be even better this year. I give them an A-.

I expect Miami to win more games than they did last year, no doubt about it. And they MAY even finish at 8-8. But, if you ask me, im going to predict a 7-9 record for Miami. These are my opinions. If you want to know how I feel about the my Bills, Ill tell you that as well. Im not a homer as most people are. If you dont agree with these, tell me why. All I ask is that you post something intelligent, please.


ADMIN EDIT: SEE YA, JERK.
 
Wagon Circler said:
When he was in there all he did was tuck and run? Oh out of the minimal time he was in, you watched every single bills game the whole season to determine this? Yeah, right. The fact of the matter is he only played in garbage time and mostly handed the ball off. Probably the only game you saw of Losman was the nationally televised game where he was thrown to the wolves in the midst of a blowout at the hands of the superbowl champs.

By the way, a lot of people mention that stupid Ms. Cleo crap on this board, but you take the cake. Telling me that I didn't know who JP was before we drafted him. Can you tell me anything else about my knowledge pool please? Come on, that was just a stupid assumption.

Mod Note: This post is about a Bills quarterback. It doesn't belong in this thread. I'll grant that you were responding to one of our guys, but the problem is that this is how threads go off topic and unravel. If you want to talk about a Bills QB, go start a thread about it in the correct forum and then feel free to link to it from here.

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Ouch. I obviously touched a nerve. For the record, Ms Cleo predicts the future, I was telling you about your past (How you didnt know squat about Losman till you recieved your Mel Kiper blue book). And you are wrong. Bills training camp is about 3 minutes from where I live, and I went to all but one last year. You Bills fans sure do get all worked up when someone mentions the word LOSMAN. Why is that? You not as confident as you try and make yourself sound?
 
djfresh47 said:
I'm a Dolphins fan, and I would much rather have Jp Losman starting than any Qb on the roster. Comparing him to Feeley is not accurate because, Jp has more ability. Alot of Dolfans won't like to see that written but physically he was as good as any Qb in last seasons draft, while mentally people maybe pushed off by his percieved arrogance, but I like that in a Qb. The injury you speak off was a dirty hit, and most people who heard about the situation would agree, because it was a I believe a non-contact drill in which Troy Vincent broke his leg. Jp Losman was very promising while in the preseason games he played. Calling him a pure scrambling Qb is not a knock, think of this if Aj Feeley who has soo much potential, or so I read about could scramble would anyone complain? This is just my opinion but I thought Losman should've been taken by the Phins last year rather than trading a 2nd for Feeley, and taking Carey with a 1st and a 4th. If Phin fans are gonna knock on him, and I am a loyal Dolfan, but also a realist, would you rather have an unproven, unexperienced 28 yr old in Feeley, or an unproven, unexperienced 24-25 yr old in Losman?
First show me where I compared Feeley to Losman. Secondly I stated that Losman has great physical attributes. What I said he lacks is a head. I saw plenty of Losman last training, he has very good speed, a great arm, can make all the throws, what his problem is is that he doesnt seem to be on the same page as his recievers. He didnt read defenses well, and when he felt any kind of pressure he ran. And the play were he broke his leg was on non contact drill, by Troy Vincent. You know that dirty player Troy Vincent :shakeno: . The veterns were getting annoyed with Losmans show boating after his runs. Vincent didnt mean to hurt Losman, just to remind him that he's a rookie. Unfortunatly he broke his leg.
 
Oc5er said:
[Mod Note: This post is fine, but the thread is closed while I sort through it and start doling out lots of time off, maybe even a ban or two. See you all later in the thread.

P4E

Mod Update: Okay... a couple more suspensions and warnings are done. I'm going to re-open this thread. But here's the thing: It's going to stay on topic. It's not a thread about each other... or the Bills... or message boards...

This is a thread about whether or why the Dolphins will be under .500, PERIOD.


ANYONE WHO POSTS ANYTHING OFF TOPIC, PERSONAL AND DEROGATORY, OR SPECIFIC TO ANY TEAM OTHER THAN THE DOLPHINS IS GOING ON VACATION. GOT THAT?

NOW... POST AT YOUR OWN RISK.]



Before I start. If you dont have anything intelligent to post, do us all a favor and DONT RESPOND. This isnt a post to "anger" Dolphins fans, its a post made to counteract all the homerism on this website. Its also my opinion, if you dont agree with it, thats fine. But explain why, dont just say stupid things like "OMG GO AWAY" and "YOURE A BARFALLO BILLS FAN." Thank you.

Quarterbacks: Your Quarterbacks are AJ Feeley and Gus Frerotte. Feeley started 8 games last year behind a poor offensive line and threw for 11 TD's and 15 INT's. Not HORRIBLE, but far from good. Frerotte, a 12 year vet with his 6th different team has never proven to be that great. He had one good year in Minnesota in which he started 2 games and posted 7 TD's and 2 Int's. Other than that, hes been mediocre at best. If your O-line is improved, your quarterback play will be much improved but still, there isnt a LOT of talent here. I give your QB's a C.

Running Backs: Lets ASSUME that Ricky Williams never puts on a Miami Dolphins uniform again. Ronnie Brown was a pretty good college running back had good stats, hes a big guy, strong, he'll be able to take a lot of carries and still run strong. But, he IS a rookie and no one knows how he will perform. And, behind him, who do you have? Virtually no one. Assuming Ricky DOES come back, he hasnt played football in over a year, and hes down like 45 pounds from what he was when he was in football shape. PLUS, who knows WHATS going on in his head. He might come back for one game and decide he doesnt want to play anymore. Hes a headcase who cant be counted on. So, unless Ronnie Brown busts out for like 1,500 yards in his rookie year which is highly unlikely. For THIS season, your running back situation could be a problem. I give them a C+.

Receivers: Miami has got some pretty good receivers. But, underacheivers if you ask me. Chambers has the ability to be the best receiver in the AFC East but he hasn't used it. Only 69 catches and 7 touchdowns last year. Thats just not cutting it. Bringing in Marty Booker was a great pick up, he'll help the Dolphins a lot. And assuming that David Boston can stay healthy. Id say hes good for at least 45 or so catches and a few touchdowns. He is coming off major surgery though and hasnt played in over a year so who knows how he'll perform. Derrius Thompson, we wont even get into him. But, of course, your receivers can only perform well when your quarterback can get them the ball. But, assuming you have fairly good QB play, your receivers should do well. I give them a B.

O-Line: Aside from Stockar McDougle, who has Miami picked up? They didnt even draft an offensive lineman until the 5th round. And hes not starting. Its pretty much the same O-line from last year. And if they preform like they did last year, Miami's offense is in for a loooooong season. Nothing really more to say about these guys. They just need to step their game up. I give them a C-.

D-Line: Your strong point. You lost Ogunleye who was a force which did hurt. But, the Dolphins signed Vonnie Holliday and Kevin Carter, both pretty good pickups. And they still have Jason Taylor. This unit has been pretty solid year in and year out and I think theyll have a good year this year. Taylor should have double digit sacks with ease. With the new additions I give them a B+.

Linebackers: Zach Thomas leads this group. Although hes getting up there in age, hes still preformed quite well every year. Junior Seau is pretty much at the end of his career and doesnt really look like the player he used to be at all. I dont really expect much out of him. Other than those guys the Dolphins are lacking. They drafted Channing Crowder who could be a great player for them, but they really need him to step up immediately. Ill say the Dolphins linebackers will struggle a little early but I expect Crowder to step in nicely with the veteran wisdom of Seau and Thomas to help him. I give them a B-.

Defensive Backs: The Dolphins traded Patrick Surtain :shakeno: which leaves Sam Madison as the leader of the secondary basically. Madison has been in the league for 9 years and isnt getting any younger. Hes clearly not the same player he used to be either. Reggie Howard could be a good player for Miami as hes had a pretty good career thus far. And Will Poole had a pretty decent rookie year, hopefully he can keep it up. The Dolphins got Tebucky Jones who im my opinion is very overrated. New England knew what they were doing when they got rid of him and they only benefited from it. And now Jones is on his 3rd team. Neither of the 1st two teams really had any reluctance in getting rid of him. (And you know its tough for me to say this too because im from Syracuse) Your free safety is Travares Tillman, a former Bills cast off. This guys really got nothing to bring to the table. He was nothing more than a backup in Buffalo and I really dont think hes going to do anything for Miami this year. I give the DB's a C.

Special Teams: Mare is solid as usual. And should be again this year. And Wes Welker turned out to be a great special teams guy for the Dolphins. The Dolphins special teams were pretty solid last year and should be even better this year. I give them an A-.

I expect Miami to win more games than they did last year, no doubt about it. And they MAY even finish at 8-8. But, if you ask me, im going to predict a 7-9 record for Miami. These are my opinions. If you want to know how I feel about the my Bills, Ill tell you that as well. Im not a homer as most people are. If you dont agree with these, tell me why. All I ask is that you post something intelligent, please.



I agree with you AJ Feeley did horrid last season. Gus Frerotte will be the starter in 2005, unless AJ Feeley has a 180 in his performance i see Gus getting the Nod. Frerotte did good in Minnesota with Linehan as OC. Also, he has Chris Chambers, Marty Booker, David Boston, Derrius Thompson to throw to. Those are four potent receivers which can make plays alone if 2/4 of them live up to their potential.


if Ricky Williams comes back he will be like his old self. Sure, the guy lost 45 lbs, but he didn't get seriously injuried. He will give 100% if he comes back. NO dolphin fan can argue Ricky didnt give 100% when he went on the field. He always tried hard. As far as Ronnie Brown is concerned i think he is a great HB. I don't think he's as good as Ricky.... yet... he willl contribute greatly though. He is a great HB, and is a threat as a receiver as well. I'm happy we drafted him.


I personally think we have the best WR core in the league if the o-line can give us time to throw the ball. David Boston is a changed guy i think. I have never heard of a headcase making the vets min? Saban won't hesitate to cut him, and he knows it. HE signed a one year deal, so he can show everyone he is still great and get the big bucks next year. Chris Chambers/Marty Booker/David Boston are all #1 WR caliber on legit teams. In addition, we have Derrius Thompson who is big and can make great plays. Also, we have one of the best tightends in the league!!

The O-line is a questionmark. This is a problem we've had for awhile. We keep picking up guys, but they seem to not do it. This offseason we hired the best o-line coach in the business (Hudson Houck). Jeno James/Damion Mcintosh/Stocker McDougle have all proven they can succeed in the NFL. If they can live up to their potential, and be an average-above average o-line i think we could go 13-3.

Our D-line is the best in the league i think. Jason Taylor - Keith Traylor - Kevin Carter - Vonnie Holiday. I think us, and the panthers have the best D-line in the NFL. If we stay injury free they will make our secondary better, and we could have a top 10 defense.


Linebackers are solid


Defensive Backs are solid too i think. Lets not forget Reggie Howard was great at carolina as the #2 cornerback. NB isnt the same as playing as the #2. In addition, Mario Edwards was the #2 CB in Dallas for awhile. I think we are solid there, but signing a vet would help alot.



Our special teams aren't a problem.



As far as coaching goes. Will Nick Saban succeed in the NFL? Honestly, no one knows. But i realisticly couldn't ask for a better offseason, everything he has done has pointed towards success. I think we will be a superbowl contender next year. we have ALOT of potential, and from what ive seen so far, a superb coaching staff.
 
Oc5er said:
No, I said the DOLPHIN special teams. Isnt going to win any games.

I think that your offense will have you so far out of games that even if your special teams returns one for a touchdown youre not going to win.


I mean, if you want to go by grades you could pretty much give the bills defense an A all around last year and the offense a C even though they were amazing over the last 7 games of the year and the average grade would be a B and we still didnt make the playoffs.


Yeah, that may be all true, but you guys didn't play anyone good last season during your winning streak, then you go out and lose to Pittsburgh's bench. Wow.
 
What's with all the bickering? It's pointless!

Who cares if Miami wins four games and Buffalo wins nine or if we win nine and Buffalo wins four? We're all still in a division looking up at New England and until someone solves them consistently, I really don't think it matters how many games under them we all finish. God knows all those nine and ten win seasons up until last year didn't really mean a whole lot. Does any Buffalo fan who's posting in this thread think that the Bills are really going to start mastering the Pats any time soon? When you watch them play you can just tell the difference in confidence levels. The Pats know they'll win while the Bills hope that they will. Until a team can come along that can rattle Brady, it's the same old-same old I'm afraid.

Hopefully Nick will bring about that attitude that will allow us that chance in the coming seasons but right now, it's just not happening yet.

2005: 8-9 wins are possible
 
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