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Why would anyone take Pitts over Smith?

HCE said:
That certainly seems to be the argument, but if you want to "prove" that Smith will struggle in the pros, it's not enough to point at the league and say "no other receivers of his weight succeeded" precisely because he's an outlier. What you have to point at is other skinny receivers who were hugely successful in college and failed in the pros because of their weight. Are there any examples?
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I guess you are not familiar with the truism that "you can't prove a negative"?

You're assertion is illogical on the face.

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HCE said:
That certainly seems to be the argument, but if you want to "prove" that Smith will struggle in the pros, it's not enough to point at the league and say "no other receivers of his weight succeeded" precisely because he's an outlier. What you have to point at is other skinny receivers who were hugely successful in college and failed in the pros because of their weight. Are there any examples?
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As a follow up, nobody is trying to "prove" that he won't be successful in the first place. None of us know that.

We are only pointing out that the odds are not on your side of the arguement, which as far as I can discern, is based solely on the feelz that this player is "special".

Yes, he won the Heisman. So did Desmond Howard..........
 
Duss said:
Heisman vs. No heisman
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I would point out that particular award has been, for the most part, hit or miss when it comes to elite players.

Here is a list going back to the turn of the century.

2019: Joe Burrow, QB, LSU

2018: Kyler Murray, QB, Oklahoma

2017: Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma

2016: Lamar Jackson, QB, Louisville

2015: Derrick Henry, RB, Alabama

2014: Marcus Mariota, QB, Oregon

2013: Jameis Winston, QB, Florida State

2012: Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M

2011: Robert Griffin III, QB, Baylor

2010: Cam Newton, QB, Auburn

2009: Mark Ingram Jr., RB, Alabama

2008: Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma

2007: Tim Tebow, QB, Florida

2006: Troy Smith, QB, Ohio State

2005: Reggie Bush, RB, USC (vacated)

2004: Matt Leinart, QB, USC

2003: Jason White, QB, Oklahoma

2002: Carson Palmer, QB, USC

2001: Eric Crouch, QB, Nebraska

2000: Chris Weinke, QB, Florida State

Is it really any indication of assured NFL greatness? Too early to tell with some recent guys, but for the most part, mostly average players (jags), with a few pro bowl guys and some outright busts sprinkled in.
 
Mach2 said:
I would point out that particular award has been, for the most part, hit or miss when it comes to elite players.

Here is a list going back to the turn of the century.

2019: Joe Burrow, QB, LSU

2018: Kyler Murray, QB, Oklahoma

2017: Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma

2016: Lamar Jackson, QB, Louisville

2015: Derrick Henry, RB, Alabama

2014: Marcus Mariota, QB, Oregon

2013: Jameis Winston, QB, Florida State

2012: Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M

2011: Robert Griffin III, QB, Baylor

2010: Cam Newton, QB, Auburn

2009: Mark Ingram Jr., RB, Alabama

2008: Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma

2007: Tim Tebow, QB, Florida

2006: Troy Smith, QB, Ohio State

2005: Reggie Bush, RB, USC (vacated)

2004: Matt Leinart, QB, USC

2003: Jason White, QB, Oklahoma

2002: Carson Palmer, QB, USC

2001: Eric Crouch, QB, Nebraska

2000: Chris Weinke, QB, Florida State

Is it really any indication of assured NFL greatness? Too early to tell with some recent guys, but for the most part, mostly average players (jags), with a few pro bowl guys and some outright busts sprinkled in.
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Tim Brown the only heisman wr in the hall of fame. Only 4 players that played wr won it. And only Tim Brown made it to canton. Desmond howard was just a serviceable receiver/returner.

Weinke is among the oldest to win it.
 
Mach2 said:
I would point out that particular award has been, for the most part, hit or miss when it comes to elite players.

Here is a list going back to the turn of the century.

2019: Joe Burrow, QB, LSU

2018: Kyler Murray, QB, Oklahoma

2017: Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma

2016: Lamar Jackson, QB, Louisville

2015: Derrick Henry, RB, Alabama

2014: Marcus Mariota, QB, Oregon

2013: Jameis Winston, QB, Florida State

2012: Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M

2011: Robert Griffin III, QB, Baylor

2010: Cam Newton, QB, Auburn

2009: Mark Ingram Jr., RB, Alabama

2008: Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma

2007: Tim Tebow, QB, Florida

2006: Troy Smith, QB, Ohio State

2005: Reggie Bush, RB, USC (vacated)

2004: Matt Leinart, QB, USC

2003: Jason White, QB, Oklahoma

2002: Carson Palmer, QB, USC

2001: Eric Crouch, QB, Nebraska

2000: Chris Weinke, QB, Florida State

Is it really any indication of assured NFL greatness? Too early to tell with some recent guys, but for the most part, mostly average players (jags), with a few pro bowl guys and some outright busts sprinkled in.
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the poster mentioned to define out performed not who will have the best nfl career

smith won the heisman, pitts wasn’t in the conversation that’s outperformed
 
Duss said:
the poster mentioned to define out performed not who will have the best nfl career

smith won the heisman, pitts wasn’t in the conversation that’s outperformed
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Many (including that poster) have alluded to winning the award, as a reason to believe in continued domination at the next level.

It isn't a valid arguement, IMO.

Thanks for your input on a technicality of that one individual post in a vacuum though. I concede the point in that narrow context.
 
Mach2 said:
Many (including that poster) have alluded to winning the award, as a reason to believe in continued domination at the next level.

It isn't a valid arguement, IMO.

Thanks for your input on a technicality of that one individual post in a vacuum though. I concede the point in that narrow context.
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Gee you can’t let it go can you
 
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