Absolutely. Hartline has been a terrifically productive player for us and great value for how we acquired him. But if we're dedicating that much salary at a position that sees every snap then we need a player who can bring more to the offense.
WR Jarvis Landry may have been drafted as WR Brian Hartline's eventual replacement
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This would state otherise: Gibson only had one dropped pass last year while Hartline lead the team with 9 and a high 6.8% of drops.
Rec /drops/targets/%targets/%drops
4 Brian Hartline WR Mia 76 9 133 57.1 % 6.8%
72 Charles Clay TE Mia 69 4 102 67.6 % 3.9%
104 Mike Wallace WR Mia 73 3 141 51.8 % 2.1%
157 Marlon Moore WR Mia 7 2 15 46.7 % 13.3%
174 Dion Sims TE Mia 6 2 10 60.0 % 20.0%
192 Marcus Thigpen RB Mia 8 1 11 72.7 % 9.1%
200 Brandon Gibson WR Mia 30 1 43 69.8 % 2.3%
Link:http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/drops/2013/
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Hartline is to the 2 WR spot what Bess was to the 3 -- someone majorly mediocre that fans get high on simply because he wears the Phins uniform.
Not one -- not ONE -- defense is frightened of Hartline. He puts fear in zero defensive backs or defensive coordinators. He stretches NO portion of the field. And is horrible the closer you get to the red zone. No WR on the roster sets up a QB for picks as much as Hartline does, because of his unalterably limited skill set and predictable routes. In the whole time Hartline has been here, at NO time has he done anything on the field that any other WR (out of 40 or so in the middle of the NFL pack) couldn't have done. And many times, he's failed to make plays BEYOND which the route gets him or his QB gets him, but virtue of a zero window throw. Many, many times a different WR would have made more out of the same play that Hartline either falls or gets caught from behind.
I know many homers on here don't want to hear it, but Hartline LIMITS the 2 as badly as Bess limited the 3.
I'll probably get a jillion "no thanks" for this post, but it's the truth. I like Hartline as a person, but as a player he ain't even steady. The article has that wrong. Hartline disappears against top talent.
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Not one -- not ONE -- defense is frightened of Hartline. He puts fear in zero defensive backs or defensive coordinators. He stretches NO portion of the field. And is horrible the closer you get to the red zone. No WR on the roster sets up a QB for picks as much as Hartline does, because of his unalterably limited skill set and predictable routes. In the whole time Hartline has been here, at NO time has he done anything on the field that any other WR (out of 40 or so in the middle of the NFL pack) couldn't have done. And many times, he's failed to make plays BEYOND which the route gets him or his QB gets him, but virtue of a zero window throw. Many, many times a different WR would have made more out of the same play that Hartline either falls or gets caught from behind.
I know many homers on here don't want to hear it, but Hartline LIMITS the 2 as badly as Bess limited the 3.
I'll probably get a jillion "no thanks" for this post, but it's the truth. I like Hartline as a person, but as a player he ain't even steady. The article has that wrong. Hartline disappears against top talent.
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Bingo. Gibson had one drop in the first game of the season, but his hands were GLUE after that.
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FWIW, PFF differs from this on their signature stats. They have Hartline with 81 catch-able passes and 5 drops, a 6.17, and #8 of all NFL WR's playing at least 50% of the teams snaps. They have Wallace with 84 catch-able, 11 drops, and a 13.10.
Matthews had 42 catch-able with 1 drop, and a 2.38.
From what I saw, this makes a lot more sense to me. There was no way that Hartline had more drops than Wallace, and giving Wallace just 3 drops had to have been written by his Mom. lol
Hartline had 9 drops last year. I love the guy though. Hes very reliable. I hope he becomes our all time receptions and yards leader he's already up there
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Right now, I think Landry allows for some nice bunch/stack sets. I have to ask Hoops or someone in the know. But if this guy gets in and out of his cuts at a nice pace, he might be that little scat we need on the boundry. He compliments the top 3 on this team at the WR position. PBP and others can think otherwise, but today and until proven otherwise, he's not taking anyone's spot.
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I'm far from a homer. But I disagree with most everything you just said. Hartline during the Bess era, played at a high level against teams top CB. And produced. He produced again last year. He's not a sexy player, but he's a consistent player. He has the ability to get behind corners and he runs nice routes. You can dislike him, but it jades your bias against him.
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He did not have 9, he had 5, and Wallace did not have 3, he had 11.
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Lol! This is mathews replacement not hartlines!
SENT FROM MY G-FLEX, BECAUSE SIZE MATTERS, BUT SO DOES FLEXability
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I don't dislike him as a person. I do dislike what he is as a player, and how he is the very poster child of mediocrity at the position.
Just good enough that people think, "Oh, we've got the position covered!" and regretfully mediocre enough that he will forever depend on others drawing the defense, not him. He will NEVER in his career make plays past what the route gives or past what his QB wins for him w. zero window throws. He will never fight through defense for catches. He will never be a great red zone WR. He will never consistently beat good man coverage. He will never be a great blocker. He will never stretch a field. And he will forever lead the team with pick 6s to his side of the field.
He'd make a decent 4 or 5 WR on a good team.
Put it this way: When Miami is consistently winning playoff games (two years in a row), Hartline will not be a starting 1, 2 or 3 WR.
He's just too limited. He does to the 2 position what Bess did to the 3: Vastly limit what can be done there, and yet also play just good enough to keep the keep from putting a priority upgrade on the position (w. huge holes elsewhere).
Sorry that people think I dislike Hartline as a person. I don't. He's well spoken and a good teammate. He's just the poster child of Miami mediocrity.
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p.s. anyone who thinks that Hickey thinks Hartline is all that -- must not be paying attention to all the WRs Hickey is drafting and bringing in.
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