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Yahoo says Harbaugh to Fins/Michigan because players are disgruntled
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72champagne
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i was thinking roughly the same thing. plus i doubt harbaugh wants to leave northern cali. his personality couldn't be worse than failbins though, surely.
Highzenga
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It will take a 1st rnd pick at least to get Harbaugh. No way we do that if Philbin makes the playoffs. That being said, I think Harbaugh is a better coach than Philbin and I would consider making the change even if we win a playoff game. Regardless, it looks like Harbaugh is leaving SF anything short of a title.It also looks like we may win the division, so my guess is Philbin stays.Whats wrong with Philbin's ring:
As far as this debate if I'm Ross the toughest decision I might ever have to make is if we win a playoff game or something and Harbaugh is available. That would be the sickest decision ever, especially if you have to fork over a high draft pick. But not even really going to think about it until we see a few more games at least.
And I'll bet 5000 vCash right now that Harbaugh isn't going anywhere. I refuse to believe that organization can be that stupid.
Nope, but knowing what I know about Harbaugh I think Miami fans need to focus on other people.
I'm impressed with a coach who consistently wins close games especially in the SB, I don't see that as a negative....his teams victory against the fastest show on turf as an underdog alone makes him a great coach..Harbaugh ends up on the wrong side of the close games ...To think Harbaugh is a better coach than Belichick after his first 3 yrs on the job is insane.....lets take a look at there records after Harbaugh has had 10 yrs in the league before you can convince me of that....The defense is what made San Fran those 3 yrs, giving his QB good feild position and more shots to score and add that with an excellent running game will do wonders in QB development...Again Harbaugh is a good coach but he is not the best coach in the league right now he doesn't crack my top 5 right now....A great coach would have a ring if they had the team he had for those 3 yrs, there's no denying that
To me Belicheck best attribute is on the defensive side of the ball, taking away from the offense what they must have to win....he makes a team beat him with their 3rd and 4th option....then he takes his Defensive knowledge and prepares his offense on how to attack a Defensive......not only is he a great HC but he is walking around with 2 SB rings from when he was a DC.....I don't think Harbaugh could be a good coordinator....I think what he does well is facilitate...put good people around him and lets them do their job, if he leaves San Fran he better take his OC and DC with him.....
2011 the Cardinals had 8 wins they were in 2nd place and they split wtih San Fran...that division sucked
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I imagine its not overly difficult to slow down another teams offense when you know what plays they are going to run and when they are going to run them.
Yes, in 2011 the 49'ers went 1-1 with the Arizona Cardinals. They also went 4-0 with the remaining teams. So, do you think the 49'ers going 5-1 against those teams drove down their records or not? This really shouldnt be that difficult to grasp. And again: the second place team in the AFC East has finished with a 8 wins or less for 3 straight years. By your own logic, that means Belichick doesnt get credit for those years.
And just to be clear: Belichick deserves heaps of praise when his defense plays well, but when Harbaugh's defense vastly improves after he is hired it should be held against him. Its a negative that 1/3rd of his team immediately improved under his leadership. Sounds legit.
I'd did get a chuckle at the suggestion that the improved quarterback play had little to do with their NFC Championship and Superbowl runs. I already know the followup thats coming- "....and their defense played well because fans finally went to games."
The actual, sincere expressions of "no thanks" to the idea of Jim Harbaugh coaching this team have made this one of the most bizarre, inexplicable, brain wormiest threads in my time on finheaven. I don't think the ridiculousness of it can actually be expressed in words. It can probably only be expressed through dance or song. Such as:
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You know, i actually got a bit curious about this. All this praise towards Vic Fangio and this implied insistence that it was really him who was indirectly responsible for the 49'ers offensive success. So i decided to look up his career.
From 1995-1999 ole' Vic was coordinator for the newly created Carolina Panthers, working under one of our former coordinators Don Caper. According to Pro-Football-Reference, the Panthers defense finished:
'95) 8th
'96) 2nd
'97) 13th
'98) 27th
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1995/opp.htm
Not to shabby overall. After that last year, he was ****canned and took a coordinator job for the Colts, minus Capers. How'd they do?
'99) 17th
'00) 15th
'01) 31st...or dead last
Okay, that didnt go so great. After being let go there, he reunited with Capers in Houston, for their expansion team kickoff. How'd that go?
'02) 20th
'03) 27th
'04) 15th
'05) 32nd...or dead last
Jim Harbaugh better count his lucky stars that he has a defensive coordinator so shrewd that not only is he completely responsible for their defensive turnaround, but he is also so capable he turns around the offense in the process.
Almost as silly as that stretch armstrong analogy (yeah I went there
) Let's have some fun with this; here's some names that probably wont ring a bell for the average fan as time has passed but they all have a common factor in being head coaches that lost the Super Bowl. There's also a good chance I went back too far starting with the '80's but what the heck.
'81 Forrest Gregg, Bengals
'85 Raymond Berry, Patriots
'94 Bobby Ross, Chargers
'01 Mike Martz, Rams
'02 Bill Callahan
'12 Jim Harbaugh
Maybe recognizable, maybe not, point is no one cares about the losing team. Everyone remembers the Champion (the exception, of course, being Bill Belichick who choked on 18-done or possibly Mark Levy who lost four straight)
Ironically, it reminds of Jim Harbaugh on the sidelines.
roy_miami
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It would take some big balls to do it in that situation for sure. I like Philbin, so for me a parallel would be like dumping Foles and a first round pick for Luck. Though I understand for most on this site it would be more like dumping Cleo Lemon for Dan Marino in his prime.
GoonBoss
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Not so much.
I think Harbaugh is wearing out his welcome in the NFL.
I think Harbaugh is wearing out his welcome in the NFL.
I imagine its not overly difficult to slow down another teams offense when you know what plays they are going to run and when they are going to run them.
Yes, in 2011 the 49'ers went 1-1 with the Arizona Cardinals. They also went 4-0 with the remaining teams. So, do you think the 49'ers going 5-1 against those teams drove down their records or not? This really shouldnt be that difficult to grasp. And again: the second place team in the AFC East has finished with a 8 wins or less for 3 straight years. By your own logic, that means Belichick doesnt get credit for those years.
And just to be clear: Belichick deserves heaps of praise when his defense plays well, but when Harbaugh's defense vastly improves after he is hired it should be held against him. Its a negative that 1/3rd of his team immediately improved under his leadership. Sounds legit.
I'd did get a chuckle at the suggestion that the improved quarterback play had little to do with their NFC Championship and Superbowl runs. I already know the followup thats coming- "....and their defense played well because fans finally went to games."
Forget about the other teams in that division the 2nd place team had 8 wins and split with San Fran, even if the other teams split with San Fran they still don't crack 8 wins which means they are losing to everyone they play, the division sucked.....the division was so bad the yr before when san fran won 6 games they were 1 game out of first place lol.....when you are a good coach and have talent on the team you will and should dominate a division like that.....What he did his first yr was good but I find what Bruce Arians did last yr more impressive, he went into that division which is now one of the tops in the league, and took a 6 win team and won 10 games in it he ended the yr by beating the seahawks in Seattle.that's like Oakland winning 10 games in the the tough AFC west division....and he did it with a suspect QB
Is Harbaugh better than Philbin? Absolutely....does this mean he can get this team deep in the playoffs and win a SB? Nope, what scares me about him is he didn't get a ring when he had 3 chances to get one with the best team in the league....I see him as another Dan Reeves, Schottenheimer, Bud Grant, Andy Reid etc.....good coaches who could never win the big one....
Its not that Belicheck doesn't get credit for it, the division is so bad you expect him to do it....it would be a bigger deal if he didn't win the division...the division sucked except for them