Brady Poppinga: Gase might have lost the team

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  1. Ray R

    Ray R Well-Known Member

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    Are we wasting our time with Gase or with the "players" in the locker room?

    Most of our players have been here longer then the coach but only played well as a team last year. I believe that many of the players have begun to recognize their own limits under this coach and know that they will be replaced as soon as better players can be found and brought in. Our FA's signing's point to the positions that will be replaced first. When these players start to worry, rather than focus on playing, you get the kind of results we are now seeing. Any improvement this year will be a combination of seeing improvement from our backups and refocusing of some of our first string players as the end of careers draw near for those players that don't meet the requirements Gase wants in their positions.

    The trade of AJ is a clear indication of this being the case!
     
  2. Aquablood

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    One meaningless win is your prove.. But games before yesterday don't count.
     
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    This win yesterday is eating at you hey? Not much Gase hate on the forum for you today.
     
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    Yes, lowering picks from a . Great.
    BTW, how did you spin last month?
     
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    If You're looking for the current mindset of the team it's best to look at the latest performance, no?
     
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    Must've been gut wrenching and a kick to the groin seeing the score this morning in the paper huh? Monday's are always tough when your team wins and your repetitive narrative takes a shot. Have no fear, with a loss likely next week, you can wake up next Tuesday morning, after reading the paper and be back to grins and giggles! A.J. Duhe cries a little bit every time you post
     
  7. Mrmeeseeks

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    You're changing the argument. The argument was that Elway is as bad at drafting as the Dolphins. It's not even close.
     
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    What we saw yesterday was that an opposing quarterback who plays extremely poorly can enable a team to look at whole lot better than it really is.
     
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    Sure...and it was fun to watch....wasn't it?
     
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    More fun than many of the recent games, certainly, but not more fun than when you watch, knowing that your team is actually very good, and not just the lucky recipient of an opposing team’s mess.
     
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    Excellent point and well said..........
     
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    I would argue they are...Brian Xanders was more responsible for building that super bowl team...hell he drafted all those players you mentioned...Elway takes over...takes credit and continues to **** on that team by drafting ****ty QBs and failing to build on an already solid base.
     
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    What about firing a coach that was 9-7 last year for Vance Joseph?
     
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    I think Kubiak stepped down...
     
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    I am looking at body of work since game one. For all that's matter, yesterday could be a blip and not uptrend. Will see.
     
  16. Ray R

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    There is no such thing as a meaningless win in the NFL!
    There may be more or less value placed on a win, but none are meaningless.
     
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    Dude, you really need to stop making these knee-jerk threads until you learn how to effectively argue your original point.
     
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    All games count, especially the ones before yesterday. That Tampa game was as discouraging as it gets. Vegas had our over under at 7.5 with Ryan. Vegas is pretty smart. Cutler has sucked and been a bitter disapointment but Gase took a gamble on him that simply did not pay off. If we win 8 games this year Gase will have proven himself to me.Gase is not quesey Joe, if the players check out, that is on the so called professionals.
     
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    don't need to argue. win-lose record does that already.
     
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    Kubiak retired. The fact that this same unit was 9-7 last year is exactly my argument. Trash coaching=trash product. Good coaching=good product.
     
  21. Aquablood

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    Means lower picks. Beside that, I fail see what is the importance. Now let see the rest of the season. If the team wins three of last four games, then the narrative will change. Until then the perspective remains grime.

    I know you are happy, good for you. But what a one home win against a lowly team means? in a grand scheme of things, I read thru the forum, still cannot find the answer. Except for Gase supporters finally find a strew.
     
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    Splitting hairs now.
     
  23. FSU Truth

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    How have the drafts look Ed since Xander's left?
     
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    Funny how you mention looking at the whole picture yet ignore last season.
     
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    The original point made was that Denver is somehow bereft of talent due to drafting like the Dolphins. That's just not true. Talentwise they have taken a step backwards, but this year's team is not that different than last year's to warrant such an epic collapse without assuming that coaching has also gone backwards.
     
  26. FSU Truth

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    I will not argue that the coaching in Denver is not poor. I thought Vance was a poor hire. I do think that Denver has also been one of the poorer managed teams especially recent drafts and poor QB choices which has hurt the team just as much.
     
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  27. Aquablood

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    You got me wrong. I gave him credit last season. And I rip him this season. It is call objective, and refused to drink the cool aid. You cannot argue that he made mistakes after mistakes this years. The difference between you and me is you carry your grade from last year, I give grade him annually.
     
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    Really? So you give other teams the win over Denver but not us?

    Worth noting, Gase knew some of the Denver players from his time there. But Joseph knew more of the Dolphins from his time here. The bigger takeaway would be not that our players beat theirs, but that our coaching staff beat Joseph's. And Joseph knew us better than we knew them.

    I mean, unless you're suggesting that we have superior personnel? Seems counter to your general approach to suggest that. So maybe ... just maybe ... Gase doesn't suck quite as badly as some suggest.
     
  29. Ren

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    I rest my case
     
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    You realize we dropped 5 straight before this Sunday right? One of those games being at home against a putrid Bucs team with Fitz at QB?
    I'll be sure to wait 6 more weeks before your next response or our next W. Whichever comes first (Or doesnt).
     
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    I give other teams the win over Denver? What're you talking about?
    Denver is coached by Gase's understudy. Therefore they are worse than Miami. Gase is a bad coach. None of this is inconsistent.
     
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    Phinatic8u Adam ****ing Gase

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    Man this thread is a goldmine of all over the place thoughts and extra salty people trying to keep the same tired tune from last week..

    H.I.L.A.R.I.O.U.S
     
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    Poppinga got proved wrong. We won 35-9 lol If that's a coach losing the team then good ****!! Denver just proves the theory that horrible QB play results in an overall terrible team. Denvers D has a top 5 player (Von) and is very talented with years of success as evidence. They have the same problem as us. Their QB sucks. In today's game, you have to have a good QB. It affects both sides of the ball as seen with the Broncos. Cutler played well and somehow our D looked like a top 10 D. Coincidence? I don't think so..
     
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    You really should list the teams whose victory you don't respect ... so we have a playbook of what the real record is and what your evaluation record is ... because I think I once heard a coach say "we are what our record says we are." Of course, he could have been wrong.
     
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    Lol, you shouldn’t get your hopes up after beating a horrible Denver team lead by a horrible coach. I can understand getting excited if they beat the cheaters Monday night but that isn’t happening.

    I am beginning to realize the Miami has some of the most delusional fans in the league. Our team sucks and it has for decades. Miami is a vacation spot for players. They all turn soft when they come here. I would bet $100k that Miami doesn’t make it to a SB as long as Ross owns the team.
     
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    The team is not good...it lacks talent on almost every unit, but the argument is that Gase has lost the locker room. I just don't see a team winning in that fashion if the players no longer respect the coach.
     
  37. roy_miami

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    Leave it to Dolphin fans to snub their noses at the GM that has 2 AFC championships and a SB championship to his name.

    Having said that Football Outsiders doesn't have the Dolphins as the worst team in the league anymore, that distinction goes to the Broncos now...
     
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    No matter what happens on the field I feel zero emotion watching the Dolphins now. I wish I could go back to the days when I didn't follow offseasons and went in to every season thinking everybody is 0-0. Now after discovering these forums and acquiring a lot more wisdom I now know the deck is severely stacked against us and we're basically a dead team walking before the season even begins no matter how many guards and tackles we take in the first round.

    My viewpoint is you keep your foot on the gas in the hunt for an elite QB until you have one. Ross and crew believes the opposite, don't rock the boat. So I'm not seeing any light at the end of this tunnel.
     
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    I don't think Gase has lost the locker room from everything I've heard. I think there is chemistry issues within the organization, and also I think it's quite clear that there are some players that don't get the system
     
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    It is important when developing young players, when ensuring veteran buy-in, when training the team to never take the foot off the accelerator, when developing your coaching staff, when putting plays on film, and when developing OL chemistry.
     
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