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Daniel Jeremiah on Rolando McClain

You can't take a Freeney comparison as a player unless:

1. You have a wicked spin move
2. You turn the corner exceptionally

I don't think Graham does either. He's inconsistent when trying to get small and turn the corner, I don't like his body flexibility, and I don't think he has a wicked spin move. You're right that there are differences between Graham and Woodley. Woodley couldn't touch Graham's mobility. On the other hand, I think Woodley was a more flexible and improvisational athlete. I haven't quite figured out a good comparison for Graham yet.

Graham is a Poor Man's Brian Orakpo.

Plays with Hands down or Stands up. Gets off Blocks to make plays in the hole. Has good field awareness, especially in the backfield. Closes on the quarterback well. Has great mobility.

Will need to play SOLB because his lack of explosion and ability to become small and turning the corner off the edge. He will get pushed around in the NFL if he tries to turn the corner and become small with a speed move. Body flexibility is quite lacking.
 
And if McClain is not a thumper, if he's a cerebral guy that is better against the pass...then why go for him at #12 when you could have A.J. Edds much later?
Honestly why not go for both? Pick up McClain in the 1st round and Edds in ths 3rd or 4th. Double down like they did last year. Our LB could use the talent.
 
Looking more into it, he was one of two of their top scouts. He was not involved with bringing Cribbs to Cleveland as a undrafted FA and Joe Thomas. Those two I consider the two best players on that team. There has to be some accountability on the guy for how the Browns drafted when he was there. There was a reason why he was let go by the Browns. Yes, he is a scout and knows what teams look for and how they go about approaching the draft. Personally, I'm not going to put as much value into what he says because of his track record. I personally believe McClain is no doubt a top 10 NFL draft pick. to sway me to believJust because 6 teams said he's outside the top 10 is not going e in his assessment of McClain. Any one of us can watch tape on a guy and find flaws. I would dare anyone to watch the games he played this year and last year and then try to convince me that he's not worth top 10 consideration.



no doubt, of the six teams that said he isn't a top ten talent... which of them are picking in the top ten... or did I miss that somewhere.

I for one still hope he falls to us at twelve. If crowder is this great blitzer than have at it. we dont' have anyone who can pass cover so mcclain would fit the bill nicely. with the caliber of coaches in the nfl, you would think they can get him tackling lower and with the limited amount of time you can spend on football in college... in the nfl he can watch as much tape as he wants. which I have read he likes doing.


I'd be happy with a mcclain in the first and hell even turn around and take spikes in the second.

but being from iowa, I'd also LOVE a mcclain/edds, mcclain/angerer combo.
 
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no doubt, of the six teams that said he isn't a top ten talent... which of them are picking in the top ten... or did I miss that somewhere.

I for one still hope he falls to us at twelve. If crowder is this great blitzer than have at it. we dont' have anyone who can pass cover so mcclain would fit the bill nicely. with the caliber of coaches in the nfl, you would think they can get him tackling lower and with the limited amount of time you can spend on football in college... in the nfl he can watch as much tape as he wants. which I have read he likes doing.


I'd be happy with a mcclain in the first and hell even turn around and take spikes in the second.

but being from iowa, I'd also LOVE a mcclain/edds, mcclain/angerer combo.

McClain is a reach tackler; is often slow in pursuit; rarely makes big, game-changing plays; and he's not going to make a lot of plays in the backfield. How is he a top-ten talent? He's solid. I don't think he's better than Spikes. I think he's better in some systems - definitely not a Mike Nolan (attacking) system. I see him as a low-first or early second. He was, though, part of a great D, so his stock rises. Remember, under Saban, Crowder looked like a future Pro Bowler.

With our 12th pick, I want a player that will make big plays. I'm confident that Nolan would get the most out of a Griffen, Morgan, Pierre-Paul. I also think he'd get the most out of McClain. It's just that McClain's ceiling isn't anywhere near as high as Griffen or Pierre-Paul's.
 
Any think Berry could drop? I've said it in other posts, but Safety just doesn't hold the value even if he is this good, at the top of the draft. The value is paying Qbs, Dts, and LTs.

1. St.Louis-Bradford-If shoulder checks out.
2. Detroit-Suh-easy pick
3. TB-McCoy- easy pick
4. Washington-Clausen-Shanny wants his own QB, skins wanted one last year. Big Name, don't take Berry cause they have a high pick in Landry
5. KC-Okung-Terrible LT now, help protect the 63 mil dollar man Cassel
6. Seattle-Bruce CampbellLT-This to me is the danger team on taking Berry because of their weak secondary plus Carroll likes Defense but Walter Jones being gone may push up Anthony Davis, which I'm hoping for.
7. Cleveland-Dez Bryant- They need some weapons, he runs under 4.5 and he's gone.
8. Oakland-Anthony Davis- They need a LT to help protect whoever is playing QB.
9. Buffalo-Brian Baluga-Have no LT at all, Chan wants to at leats protect his crappy Qbs. Afeter baluga, big dropoff in talent. More important then Safety position to this team currently and they have Byrd
10. Jax-Morgan or Haden-Need someone who can create pressure or play opposite Mathis in the South when they play Peyton or SCahub. They could take Berry to help this out.
11. Den-Dan Williams- They want a NT, Dan is going to be it, have Good safeties.

12. Dolphins-Berry- I can dream right??


I do see this scenario as potentially happening but I also see a team trading up before us to grab him if he does somehow fall. The two teams who may value him are Seattle or Jacksonville that are ahead of us. I think the other teams ahead of us, no matter how good he is as a player, may find better value for their money in taking other players.

Todays big dream, Berry drops to 12

If Eric Berry slips that close to us, then maybe BUF at 1.09 would be the team we could trade up with. That would leap frog DEN and JAX.

We could offer the Bills Thigpen and Ginn and 1.12 for this 1.09.
 
Honestly why not go for both? Pick up McClain in the 1st round and Edds in ths 3rd or 4th. Double down like they did last year. Our LB could use the talent.

I bet they will double up on a position again this year. Maybe even at both ILB and OLB.

Maybe....

1.09. Eric Berry FS Tennessee - Phins trade Thigpen, Ginn and 1.12 for 1.09.
2.) Terrence Cody NT Alabama
3.) AJ Edds OLB Iowa
4.) Sean Lee ILB Penn State
6a.) Mike Williams WR Syracuse
6b.) Michah Johnson ILB Kentucky (MCL causes him to slip)
7a.) Brandon Lang OLB Troy
7b.) Joique Bell RB Wayne State

FA) Karlos Dansby ILB
FA) Ben Watson TE
 
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no doubt, of the six teams that said he isn't a top ten talent... which of them are picking in the top ten... or did I miss that somewhere.

I for one still hope he falls to us at twelve. If crowder is this great blitzer than have at it. we dont' have anyone who can pass cover so mcclain would fit the bill nicely. with the caliber of coaches in the nfl, you would think they can get him tackling lower and with the limited amount of time you can spend on football in college... in the nfl he can watch as much tape as he wants. which I have read he likes doing.


I'd be happy with a mcclain in the first and hell even turn around and take spikes in the second.

but being from iowa, I'd also LOVE a mcclain/edds, mcclain/angerer combo.

Mc Clain is terrific reader of offenses and was a tackling machine in CFB. True he won't get away with tackling too high. He can be developed and taught to do better. By all appearances he is very coachable. We all know who coached him. Hate him all we want but at the very least at the CFB level Saban may be the best anywhere.

He will be solid non-blitzer who will get to where he needs to be on the field and make few mistakes. That is worth the number 12 pick IMHO. Doubling up is fine at ILB. Heck, be greedy and get Dansby (FA of course) and Mc Clain. A lot to invest in but we need impact at the position.
 
Mc Clain is terrific reader of offenses and was a tackling machine in CFB. True he won't get away with tackling too high. He can be developed and taught to do better. By all appearances he is very coachable. We all know who coached him. Hate him all we want but at the very least at the CFB level Saban may be the best anywhere.

He will be solid non-blitzer who will get to where he needs to be on the field and make few mistakes. That is worth the number 12 pick IMHO. Doubling up is fine at ILB. Heck, be greedy and get Dansby (FA of course) and Mc Clain. A lot to invest in but we need impact at the position.


my sentiments exactly.

on a side note, I don't really remember crowder ever looking like a probowler. I don't think he's a good blitzer either, but some on here do. If thats the case, like I've said before we would have a great tandem at ILB than. crowder to be the blitz specialist, ( I guess), and mcclain would be a great cover guy. I would love mcclain at 12.

I see no way spikes can be rated higher than mcclain or better or however you want to put it. spikes as far as I can tell, doesn't grade out as high as mcclain on anybodies mock drafts.
 
. Having short arms, he needs to show that he's extremely mobile and very powerful.

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More from Daniel Jeremiah...

"I worked with the Ravens for 4 yrs ... Never saw Ray Lewis loaf one time in practice ... Saw McClain loaf 5 times in 1 game"

"In my opinion, his biggest adjustment is going to be learning how to play off blocks. The Alabama DL kept him very clean most of the time. When he did have to take on OG's, he failed to use his hands and got ridden out of the hole. Scouts use the phrase shock and shed. That means that you shoot your hands to stall the OG and then free yourself from the block. I watched four games on McClain and didn't see him shock and shed one time. His size and style of play reminds me of Karlos Dansby. They both have the same strengths: size, instincts and pass coverage. They also share the same weaknesses: lack of burst/explosiveness and too finesse at the point of attack."

"I think McClain will be a good pro. I just don't put him in the class with the other top LBs to come out in the last three years."

He's killing McClain and the thing is, he's just noticing the same things that I noticed when I said that Brandon Spikes would be more keen for this defense than Rolando McClain.
 
Now here's another perspective, from K.C. Joyner. He very much agrees with Slimm about McClain's game against Kentucky. Dominant and masterful. The problem is Joyner graded five other games and found that the same player hadn't shown up to any of the others...

One of my favorite Bill James essays is one that he did on Boston Red Sox second baseman Marty Barrett in his 1985 Baseball Abstract. He spoke about a time when he was scouting Barrett and a situation arose in which the pitcher was almost certain to throw an inside pitch. James said that after Barrett smashed the expected inside pitch out of the park, he was really impressed because it showed that Barrett had the ability to handle that type of pitch. At the same time, he also knew this sentiment was a bit inaccurate because he had predetermined that this was the play he was going to judge Barrett on. James ended the essay by noting, "this is a good example of the kind of gut-level decision making that sabermetrics intends to render obsolete."

The same type of gut-level decision making can happen in tape grading NFL players if one isn't careful. Nothing illustrates this better than a recent six-game breakdown I did on Alabama linebacker Rolando McClain (at Kentucky, at Mississippi, vs. South Carolina, vs. Tennessee, vs. LSU, at Mississippi State).

After the first three quarters of the Wildcats game, I was convinced that McClain's top-10 ranking was far too low. He dominated his opponent in a way that no other Draft Lab prospect has come close to. McClain defeated five Point of Attack (POA) run blocks, forced the quarterback to throw a pass away on a blitz, intercepted a pass, forced a fumble, tipped a pass that was intercepted by another Crimson Tide defender and threw in twelve tackles to boot.

Some personnel evaluators might see such a performance and immediately make the mistake that James spoke about and judge McClain's draft status based on the wow factor that can occur in a small sample size. As impressive as a dominant single game is, the best players in the NFL follow the Bill Walsh credo that emphasizes consistent dominance from week to week.

McClain's performance in the other five games certainly wasn't subpar, but it was far from his Kentucky showing. One good example of this: he won only six POA blocks in that other quintet of contests. To be fair, he did have seven other plays where he wasn't blocked and was able to stuff the ballcarrier at or behind the line of scrimmage, but it still doesn't eliminate the fact that his POA win percentage outside of the Kentucky contest was a meager 13.0%.

McClain's impact on the pass also wasn't anywhere near as good following the Wildcats game. He did have eight splash plays in the other five games (a splash play being defined as negatively impacting a passing play) but two of those came when he was unblocked on a blitz. A third came when a Mississippi blocker made an error and didn't see McClain blitzing until it was too late and a fourth was a garbage sack where McClain simply finished off a sack that his teammate started. Again, he should be given credit for making these plays -- but the volume of stats that he built up in instances of this nature does not bode as well for him as the large group of individual plays he made against Kentucky.

My scouting eye also saw a couple of other areas of significant concern for McClain. The first was his tackling technique. By my count, he missed seven tackles in these six games, but it was how he used his arms when tackling that was troubling. The proper arm technique when tackling is to take your forearms and elbows and slam them into the ballcarrier's side and back. That movement will naturally cause the tackler's arms to wrap around the runner and will also cause his hands to slap into the ballcarrier's back. The tackler should then grab the backside of the jersey and finish the tackle off.

McClain rarely, if ever, used this technique. His preferred method was to grab at the ballcarrier and try to yank him down from the front. He also rarely tried to stick his shoulder into a runner -- unless the tackle occurred right at the line of scrimmage. In addition, McClain had more than bit of trouble breaking down quickly when he was on the backside of a run and had to prevent a cutback.

The poor tackling form was the initial sign in the second area of concern, which is his focus. Examples of this include his penchant for jogging far too often in the LSU and Mississippi State games, but the most specific instance came early in the first quarter of the game against the Bulldogs. A Mississippi State blocker went low on McClain and then used his hand to trip him. Immediately after the takedown, McClain's first reaction was to get up and look for an official to complain to. This would have been an apt response except that the play was still alive when McClain jumped up.

This wasn't the only instance in that contest where a player got McClain to take his head out the game. MSU offensive guard J.C. Brignone may have been thinking of this when he kept blocking McClain well after the end of the first play of the fourth quarter. McClain finally shed Brignone's block and then gave him a shove afterwards despite being right in front of an official.

The NFL is full of very creative instigators whose aim is to get their opponents to take their minds off of the game, and if McClain doesn't fix this weakness, he'll have someone testing his patience in every contest.

The Football Scientist Lab Result: This can go either way. McClain has tremendous physical characteristics and when he is on his game, he can be nearly unstoppable. If a team drafts him too high with this in mind, he would be worthy of an overhyped label. If a team drafts him with the understanding that he may need consistent motivating and a lot of tackling drill work, the move would be worthy of the TFS seal of approval.
 
He's killing him...but hedging his bets at the same by throwing out "I think he'll be a good pro".....

How good of a pro will he be Daniel? Where would you take him? What game did you see him loaf 5 times? What's your definition of loafing?

As I've mentioned, I think the Dansby comparison is a brilliant one....it really is....with McClain being the better prospect coming out of college...

CK, who's right...you or Daniel? Was his best game his last game (as Daniel says)....or was he "invisible", according to you?

He seems to think coverage is one of McClain's strongsuits....you've said countless times that McClain is virtually a liability in coverage...and that Spikes is better...which is it?

I would love to see where he had Spikes this time last year in relation to the 3 USC linebackers....that everyone including this guy and his pet goldfish knew were going to be outstanding pro linebackers...
 
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