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Dolphins likely to use tag on Sean Smith if no long term deal.. more on long

NBP81 said:
LOL! No actual move has been made and some are already bashing the GM on what they think he will do based on a media article...
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You're right... Ireland has shown us nothing but shrewd moves and foresight since he's been here.

Newflash - We are about to endure a F O U R T H straight losing season and you are defending this guy?
 
I have no problem with franchising Smith. Another year to learn under Croyle and gives us the option to position ourselves to continue to grow the secondary through the draft and other possible FA without hindering our cap after next year or completely dismantling a fairly competent DB core. 1 key to this franchise getting better and remaining in the mix for years to come is not imploding this cap space in 1 offseason. Players are not fond of the tag because it takes away for them to get much more substantial guaranteed money and gives the team options for upcoming years. Smith is not as bad as most make him to be in this forum. Typical talk of fans in regards to their fave team in a position that gets criticized unfairly. I have seem several good DBs get blasted by donks fans here in CO. This offseason is important for next year but how we handle it should also be a reflection of many offseasons to come. Good franchises understand the importance of 3-4 years down the line as much as the next year.
 
Strangeworld said:
You're right... Ireland has shown us nothing but shrewd moves and foresight since he's been here.

Newflash - We are about to endure a F O U R T H straight losing season and you are defending this guy?
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How is he defending Ireland? He's laughing at you for getting worked up over something that hasn't happened. Just something suggested in an article
 
Strangeworld said:
You're right... Ireland has shown us nothing but shrewd moves and foresight since he's been here.

Newflash - We are about to endure a F O U R T H straight losing season and you are defending this guy?
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jumping to conclusions two times in a a row... we win, we'll be 8-8... not a winning or losing season

One thing is for sure though, we will finishg with a better record than last year, all with a rookie HC and QB to boot. Roughly 50 mil in cap space before cut and restructures, 5 picks in the first 96 picks in the draft... No matter how you slice or dice it, it's progress, so what's your beef?
 
I think this is typical media BS as Ireland is frugal if nothing else. There is no way that Sean Smith is worth anywhere near franchise tag money, even for one year. For that much money, throw it at the best FA CB on the market. Whomever that is, it is certainly not Smith!

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I mean if people are willing to sign the guy for four years at 5-6 mil per I can't think why a 1 year shot at 10 million and extended flexibility would be an issue. If he shows promise you can move forward with the guy if not you are not stuck for 3 more years. Plus you will get a guarantee best effort with a 1 year deal. Multi year deals can often promote a player to lose their drive.
 
Some of you are delusional if you think Smith will not command big FA money. We absolutely have to tag him if he doesn't sign a long term deal because we are already extra-thin at CB, imagine if we lose Smith we'll need a minimum of 3 new CB via either draft or FA including 2 starters. That's way too risky and THAT'S painting yourself in a corner. I perfectly understand that Smith is not a top-5 player at his position but we are in uber-trouble if we lose him...
 
We need to keep long even though Martin has played well at LT his rookie season I would like to have one of the better OT combos in the NFL
 
Rocket you are right, the guy will get paid a lot more than anyone of these SS haters can imagine. And when we are stuck in limbo next year at DB it will be all Ireland's fault because he did not improve the position even though a tag type move would have kept the core in place and provided time and options going forward.
 
from a buried thread... http://www.finheaven.com/forums/showthread.php?331756-NFL-Franchise-Tags-and-the-Miami-Dolphins
Now, looking at the individual players in our six possible tagged players, we have:

  • Reggie Bush - Bush is a player the Dolphins have said they would like to bring back, and he has repeatedly said he wants to return. However, Miami has said that they would re-sign Bush only at their price, and would consider moving on to rookie Lamar Miller next season if Bush is not brought back. A transition tag could make sense, but even that is probably more than the Dolphins want to spend on Bush.
  • Anthony Fasano - Fasano is the Dolphins top tight end, and they currently don't have anyone developing who looks like he will be ready to unseat Fasano next year. The Dolphins do have a couple of potentially dynamic players who, if they develop, give Miami weapons at the tight end position (Charles Clay, Michael Egnew), but Fasano is a player the Dolphins will likely look to re-sign. If they cannot work out a deal, making Fasano a non-exclusive rights franchise tag could make sense, given it would mean the Dolphins would have the veteran for one more season, with no commitment beyond $5.9 million.
  • Brian Hartline - Hartline is a player the Dolphins will definitely bring back next year, especially as they look to add a true number one receiver to pair with him. The 1,000 yard season will give Hartline some negotiating power with Miami, but it shoudl not be enough that the talks will break down to paying Hartline, a player who will likely be a number two receiver next season, $10 million for the year. Could the Dolphins look to transition tag Hartline at $8.6 million? I guess so, and it's not a horrible deal, but that's still more than I would pay for Hartline at this point.
  • Jake Long - Long is the player who will cause the most debate this offseason. The 2008 number one overall pick has been selected to four Pro Bowls in five seasons in the league, and was at one point considered the top offensive lineman in the league. Unfortunately for Long, the year where he did not play at a Pro Bowl level was this season, and he is no longer playing at an elite level. Long is likely going to be looking for a salary above his rookie contract, which paid him $12 million this year. He is the one Dolphins player who would fall into the 120% of his current salary rule for a franchise tag, meaning he would take up $15 million dollars if he was franchise tagged, or one quarter of the Dolphins' cap space. He could be a player worth bringing back, but if he is looking for astronomical numbers this offseason, he's going to have to get them from another franchise.
  • Sean Smith - Smith will be back in Miami. The team needs him, even if fans get frustrated by the moments of blown coverage and dropped interceptions from the team's 2009 second round pick. He has the talent to be a shutdown corner, but for some reason lapses into times where you are not sure exactly what he is doing. Smith is currently making less than $1 million a season, so a jump to over $10 million is hard to stomach, but the team will look to do whatever they have to to re-sign Smith.
  • Randy Starks - Starks is once again a Pro Bowl alternate, and has played to a level worthy of that distinction. He's currently making $3.725 million, with a transition tag nearly doubling that salary, but if the Dolphins get into a sticky position negotiating with Starks over the next few weeks, a tag could make sense to bring him back for one season, especially given his age of 29 years old. The Dolphins could also let Starks walk, moving Jared Odrickinside next to Paul Soliai, and giving the starting defensive end position opposite Cameron Wake to either a drafted rookie or the quickly developing Olivier Vernon.

Across these six players, the two most likely to get tagged are Smith and Starks. Long has an outside chance to be tagged, or re-signed, but rookie Jonathan Martin performing well at left tackle the last few weeks hurts Long's leverage with the Dolphins. Miami will likely look to not use the tag at all this season, instead trying to re-sign all the potential free agents they want to keep, using longer term contracts to keep salary cap numbers low while they use the money on rookies or free agents.If the Dolphins had to franchise or transition tag one player this offseason, who do you think they would target?
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Strangeworld said:
LOL... this is typical Ireland.

ZERO foresight and painted into a corner.
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Yep, people are all hot and horny to see the new and improved Ireland in 2013 but he's already off to a horrible start by mishandling Long, Smith and Hartline.
 
roy_miami said:
Yep, people are all hot and horny to see the new and improved Ireland in 2013 but he's already off to a horrible start by mishandling Long, Smith and Hartline.
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hahahahahahahaha

Love it! Nothings happened so he's mis-handled it, lol. Just right it out in 1million font on every post; you hate Ireland we get it.
 
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