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Gonzo said:
That's debatable. Not to mention, the threat of RB passing is a minor aspect of the formation. You don't draft for one small possibility in a formation that is ran less than 5% of the time.
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That's the thing about White, we would not be drafting him just for the Wildcat. White can work as the 4th WR with very little pressure on him as well as line up in multiple positions on offense. Add in the possibilty of him returning kicks/punts and you have multi-purpose player who can add that sudden difference in field position that every team can use.
 
Geforce said:
Only those who think the Wildcat is a gimmicky offense thinks Pat White is a gimmicky player.

The poor accuracy and fumbles is accurate but not the arm strength. West Virginia's run first spread offense didn't offer White many opportunities to show off his arm, not to mention his receivers were not all that consistent.

I am neither for nor against the drafting of Pat White but I am keeping an open mind to the possibility of it happening.
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A player who is brought in for one small aspect of a rarely run formation (I never said it was a gimmick formation) is a gimmick player, a one trick pony. If he had arm strength, it would have been showcased, regardless of the offensive style. You don't just opt not to use something like that, sorry. The guy is not an NFL QB and never will be.
 
Gonzo said:
A player who is brought in for one small aspect of a rarely run formation (I never said it was a gimmick formation) is a gimmick player, a one trick pony. If he had arm strength, it would have been showcased, regardless of the offensive style. You don't just opt not to use something like that, sorry. The guy is not an NFL QB and never will be.
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You don't really believe that.

I never said he was an NFL QB.
 
Geforce said:
That's the thing about White, we would not be drafting him just for the Wildcat. White can work as the 4th WR with very little pressure on him as well as line up in multiple positions on offense. Add in the possibilty of him returning kicks/punts and you have multi-purpose player who can add that sudden difference in field position that every team can use.
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With those hands, that's the last thing I want. I'm not opposed to him being brought in as a WR prospect, but would rather not have anything higher than a 5th, at the very most, used on him.
 
Geforce said:
You don't really believe that.

I never said he was an NFL QB.
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Well, thank you for telling me what I believe rather than actually supporting an argument against it. If White had such arm strength why wouldn't they use it? Why wouldn't they adjust they offensive style to fit that aspect of White's game like they adjusted to his running ability? Ridiculous.

Please show me one scouting report that has anything positive to say about his arm strength. Best I can find is "adequate" and "believe it or not, arm strength can be improved" :lol:
 
Gonzo said:
Well, thank you for telling me what I believe rather than actually supporting an argument against it. If White had such arm strength why wouldn't they use it? Why wouldn't they adjust they offensive style to fit that aspect of White's game like they adjusted to his running ability? Ridiculous.

Please show me one scouting report that has anything positive to say about his arm strength. Best I can find is "adequate" and "believe it or not, arm strength can be improved" :lol:
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I didn't want to debate that because I thought it was too narrow-minded to debate. Just because a QB has a strong arm doesn't always mean the coach is going to change his style of play to suit him. The coach may not feel he has the personnel, QB, WR, OL, for it or whatever the case may be.

From Pat White's profile at NFL Draft Scout
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=9753&draftyear=2009&genpos=QB
*02/18/09* - White is a big-play athlete. He is adamant about playing quarterback in the NFL, but scouts aren't convinced despite his MVP honors in the Senior Bowl. He made many highlight-reel, game-changing plays in college, but usually more because of his quick feet and extremely strong left arm than his ability as a true quarterback. He has excellent leadership skills but has not shown the technique or consistency that NFL teams want in a quarterback. Unless he convinces somebody otherwise, he will be headed for another position. - Frank Cooney, The Sports Xchange, NFL Draft Scout Full Pat White News Wire
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Here's another one.
NFL Draft Dog
http://www.nfldraftdog.com/2009_NFL_Draft/Pat_White.htm
Strengths: Athleticism, Knowledge, Arm Strength, Intelligence
Weaknesses: Size, Touch, Accuracy
 
TooDrkPark said:
He wouldn't be selected in the first two rounds...he would come probably in the 3rd or even 4th round. At that selection I would not mind seeing him in a Phins uniform and taking some charge with the Wildcat. I'd rather see him throwing the rock instead of Brown. Would give the Phins much more offensive attack.
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we wont take him ne where b4 the 5th. even then he is total waste. the wildcat is a joke, a fluke and a waste. get a line and it is a thing of the past
 
He is not only a WildCat Specialist, The kid can be a KR/PR something we dont have. The kid can play as a WR and he can also Be an emergency QB. Last, but not least PEnnington next year is a FA and besides Beck who is most likely gone Henne has no one to push him. I think by adding White you get a Third QB/WR/KR/PR/ WC Specialist. The kid brings so many aspects to the team that he should not be passed by.
 
FinAtic8480 said:
He is not only a WildCat Specialist, The kid can be a KR/PR something we dont have. The kid can play as a WR and he can also Be an emergency QB. Last, but not least PEnnington next year is a FA and besides Beck who is most likely gone Henne has no one to push him. I think by adding White you get a Third QB/WR/KR/PR/ WC Specialist. The kid brings so many aspects to the team that he should not be passed by.
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does he play Defense and block in the Oline also. because if he doesnt i can easily see him being passed up. which he will be, round after round until the 5th or 6th round.
 
Geforce said:
I didn't want to debate that because I thought it was too narrow-minded to debate. Just because a QB has a strong arm doesn't always mean the coach is going to change his style of play to suit him. The coach may not feel he has the personnel, QB, WR, OL, for it or whatever the case may be.

From Pat White's profile at NFL Draft Scout
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=9753&draftyear=2009&genpos=QB

Here's another one.
NFL Draft Dog
http://www.nfldraftdog.com/2009_NFL_Draft/Pat_White.htm
Strengths: Athleticism, Knowledge,Arm Strength, Intelligence
Weaknesses: Size, Touch, Accuracy
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:lol: Should have known anything could be found on the interwebs.

They changed the style to suit his running ability, but not his arm strength? That's asinine. A good coach takes advantage of all of his players strengths and minimizes the effects of his weaknesses, in this case by eliminating the need for arm strength in playcalling. Maybe WV is waiting to unleash his beast of an arm for just the right moment? Brilliant strategy. That will show all us narrow-minded folk! :chuckle:
 
FinAtic8480 said:
He is not only a WildCat Specialist, The kid can be a KR/PR something we dont have. The kid can play as a WR and he can also Be an emergency QB. Last, but not least PEnnington next year is a FA and besides Beck who is most likely gone Henne has no one to push him. I think by adding White you get a Third QB/WR/KR/PR/ WC Specialist. The kid brings so many aspects to the team that he should not be passed by.
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Why on earth would you want somebody who can't hold onto the ball returning kicks? No thanks, I'd rather stick with what we have.
 
Gonzo said:
Having a "QB" specifically for the wildcat takes away what actually makes it successful. The wildcat works because it's difficult for a team to adjust to what they see in the huddle before the play. The wildcat looks like any typical formation until after the huddle. If they see White come into the game, it takes away that aspect. They know it's either going to be the wildcat, a hand off, or a horrible pass. Simple to defend against, stack the line. You need a real QB in there to make it work. I'd rather use the 5th or 6th pick on developmental rather than gimmick players.
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Not if his first position is the 4th WR where he is in for those sets. Then he lines up one week exclusively at WR with the usual Ronnie running it. The next week all of a sudden, you see White as QB. That is a different kind of element of surprise. Especially if the first play works to a tee on a pass play. The defense freaks out and they dont really know what to do with there safeties.
 
Gonzo said:
:lol: Should have known anything could be found on the interwebs.

They changed the style to suit his running ability, but not his arm strength? That's asinine. A good coach takes advantage of all of his players strengths and minimizes the effects of his weaknesses, in this case by eliminating the need for arm strength in playcalling. Maybe WV is waiting to unleash his beast of an arm for just the right moment? Brilliant strategy. That will show all us narrow-minded folk! :chuckle:
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Who said anything about West Virginia changing their style to fit White running ability? West Virginia recruited Pat White because he fit what they wanted to do. Rich Rodriguez, the former head coach at WVU, tried to bring his version of the spread offense to Ann Arbor and failed miserably. Just as he didn't have the personnel to run his run-first spread option to Michigan, Rodriguez didn't have the personnel to have a pass-first spread option at West Virginia.
 
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