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I just hope he recovers fully from his injury....then we can worry about his kickoff returns, and then how he does at WR. I can't wait to see him in action. Welker was a very good player and receiver, but he never had the breakaway speed that Ginn has. :)
 
If it usually takes WR's two to three years to make an impact, how long will it take a WR who is relatively unpolished, inexperienced, and not being given a playbook to make an impact on offense.

The world will never know...
 
OG54 said:
"He's allowed to have playbooks and that kind of stuff," Cameron said. "He's coming here as a returner first. He'll need to do a lot of studying for that. And then a receiver and he'll learn. Like I said, we've been through this with other guys."

I am not a regular poster, but this makes my blood boil. I have to admit, I was not thrilled w/ the Ginn pick @ #9, but it grew on me. I know I did not want Quinn at #9. I was hoping Levi Brown dropped to us and when he didn’t I was hoping for Patrick Willis to come our way. But, by no means do you draft a returner at #9 and pay him #9 money! At #9, you need a guy that can come in and start at their drafted position, especially on a team that has not made the playoffs in years! I know this subject has been brought up a million timnes but I just could not keep quiet after the head coach stated that we drafted a kick returner at #9.

Here’s to hoping I am wrong about this and that his ability to give us the field position needed makes the difference in our games!
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I'm with you, bro. I don't like the idea of spending a #9 on a returner, either, but I'm not expecting Ginn to merely be a returner. I'm also not expecting him to be a #1 or #2 WR this season. Like all rookies, he has a lot to learn. I'll wait and gauge if he was worth the #9 pick after next season. Right now, I'd have to say the guy was well worth the risk. I'd just like to see him contributing on offense, consistently, by mid-season. As a returner... he'll be stellar.
 
What ever. I always beleived that a Top 10 prospect should be contributing on Day 1. If he can give us great field position on every punt and kick return, then I will be pleased with that since last year we had terrible field positioning. If we could average somewhere between the 35th-45th yard line at each return, then we got ourselves a winner. Good field positioning to start on each down.

Only thing that scares me is how he takes a hit. Wes Welker took some pretty hard hits that I don't think Ginn could take with his skinny frame.

It's so easy to be untouchable in college especially with the hashmarks spread so wide and the positioning of the ball, but in the NFL, you will get tackled. Just ask Reggie; think we saw his body bouncing on the ground too many times.
 
What about Marqius Colston from sainst he made impact rite away.
 
you guys are reading to deep into the qoute all cam is saying it will be eaiser for him to pick up the return the game then the wr positon
 
VT Dolphan said:
If it usually takes WR's two to three years to make an impact, how long will it take a WR who is relatively unpolished, inexperienced, and not being given a playbook to make an impact on offense.

The world will never know...
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I don't know about 2 to 3, but we will have to give Ginn an extra year

I think this is the year Hagan "breaks out", I think he should be good for 50/800 or 60/900
 
BennyVW said:
Do me a favor. Please TRY to list 10 WR's in the last 10 years who were difference makers at WR their rookie years(1000 yards receiving)... when you get stuck at 6 put up a post that you overeacted because WR's take 2-3 years to blossom, and because ginn can come in right now and make an impact at returning while he's learning it's a Double ++....
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This whole thread should have stopped after your post.
GREAT POST.
 
OG54 said:
"He's allowed to have playbooks and that kind of stuff," Cameron said. "He's coming here as a returner first. He'll need to do a lot of studying for that. And then a receiver and he'll learn. Like I said, we've been through this with other guys."

I am not a regular poster, but this makes my blood boil. I have to admit, I was not thrilled w/ the Ginn pick @ #9, but it grew on me. I know I did not want Quinn at #9. I was hoping Levi Brown dropped to us and when he didn’t I was hoping for Patrick Willis to come our way. But, by no means do you draft a returner at #9 and pay him #9 money! At #9, you need a guy that can come in and start at their drafted position, especially on a team that has not made the playoffs in years! I know this subject has been brought up a million timnes but I just could not keep quiet after the head coach stated that we drafted a kick returner at #9.

Here’s to hoping I am wrong about this and that his ability to give us the field position needed makes the difference in our games!
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To me, this indicates that Cam is saying that he won't be hurt by not having the OTAs and minicamps that other rookies are getting. Also, this just might be Cam's way of telling Ginn that he shouldn't rush back from the Lisfranc...he can and will impact the team as a returner this year. Most WRs take a year or two to impact the team because at this level they first have to learn how to shed DBs, that they usually don't have to in college...

I don't think Cam's idea is that all he'll ever be to us is a KR and PR...if that's what you're getting at...
 
I have watched Teddy throughout his college career and even some of his high school career and I'm telling you he IS a difference maker when he is on the field.

Just watch what he can do when he gets thrown that quick out. Watch how he can stretch the field and let other receivers get open underneath because of his speed. And watch how much better our field position will be this year from either him returning or because the other kicker is kicking it out of bounds to avoid him.

Teddy has that something special that can't be taught, he IS and WILL BE a playmaker.
 
anyone who thinks this kid was picked "just because he returns" is just stupid... ALL the things the coach has said and STILL you don't get it...
 
I don't much like how Cameron has taken to talking about Ginn. I know what he's doing, he just doesn't want expectations because you can fail to meet unruly expectations and it can become a big negative.

But in the process he's really ticking a lot of people off by making them think he really values what Ted can do in the return game so much as to make him worth it at #9 even if Ted never becomes a #1 star receiver. I know it would really tick me off if Randy Mueller signed off on the pick because he thought Ginn would be a #1 star receiver, and Cam Cameron, the guy who is perhaps in the best position to decide whether Ginn has that kind of potential as a receiver, signed off on the pick because of what he can do as a returner.

I think if you follow the actions and not just the words, though, you'll see Ted is being counted on to produce at WR. If Chambers is being moved to "X" as Cameron said...well damn, that's now three X receivers (Booker, Hagan, Chambers) with no flanker! Doesn't make sense unless the long term plan is Ginn at Flanker, Chambers at SE.
 
PROBALL9954 said:
What about Marqius Colston from sainst he made impact rite away.
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OK...if there are 20 WR's drafted a year, over 10 years that means around 200 drafted players...of those less than 10 had great rookie season's...which translates into a Success rate of .05%...so a WR drafted has less then a 1% chance of having a great rookie season... so marquis colston is one of the few. or for a better term "an exception to the rule"

Lets just play a little game. Lets start listing The top receivers in the game today and we'll check their rookie numbers:
In no particular order:
Chad Johnson 28 rec 328 yds 1 TD
Marvin Harrison 64 rec 836 yds 8 TD
Terrell Owens 35 red 520 yards 4 TD
Torry Holt 52 rec 788 yards 6 TD
Steve Smith 10 rec 154 yds 0 TD (Closest to Ginn in speed/style)
Larry Fitzgerald 58 rec 780 yds 8 TD
Lee Evans 48 rec 843 yds 9 TD
Laverneous Coles 22 rec 370 yds 1 TD
Plaxico Burress 22 rec 273 yds 0 TD
Issac Bruce 22 Rec 272 yds 3 TD
Reggie Wayne 27 rec 345 yds 0 TD
Hines Ward 15 rec 246 yds 0 TD
and on and on and on................


Overall as of right now there are 320 receivers with contracts in the NFL and of 320 players only 4 of them could make 1000 yards their rookie season....thats a .0125%...that is less than one third of 1 percent!!!!!!!!

Here are the facts.
1. Rookie WR's cannot carry the load.
2. It takes time for ANY receiver to develop.
3. Most "big name" receivers did little their rookie seasons, and their no name counterparts did even less.
4. Guys like Moss, boldin, colston and clayton are all exceptions to the rule, not the standard.

Now it may seem that i'm trying to stop people from bashing or critisizing ginn, but i'm not. Basically i'm letting you all know that your expectations are way to high and you will be disapointed. AND if even one of you think that Muller or Camron don't know the EXACT same thing i just explained then your just plain Drunk!!!!!

Will ginn be a starter? NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!

Will he be able to contribute in his first year more than most of the elite receivers during their rookie seasons?...YES YES YES YES YES YES YES...


So be HAPPY that we will get him significant playing time with ST's...AND he should be able to come in on some designed plays and so forth...but PLEASE stop this "he has to start cause he was 9th" BULL****!

I don't know about you guys but a bet with less than a 1% chance off winning is called a sure bet...for the casino.
 
Yea, and when he returns one for a score I bet you'll still be sulking, huh?

I liked the quote because it shows me that Cam is willing to tell it like it is. Not like Saban speak when he could talk for 20 minutes and say absolutely nothing worth listening too
 
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