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Intangibles or Luck? | The 2017 Dolphins Should be 2-4

Is it intangibles or luck?


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I feel that <O>'s analysis is incomplete without the following variables being considered:

- A Quarterback who is FAR inferior to Ryan Tannehill came out of the broadcast booth and played the first 5-1/2 games. Is there a historical precedent for this? If not, has there ever been another QB with the nickname "Smokin'" attributed to his name? No? Then, perhaps, we need to consider the Simmons "Ewing Effect," which suggests that when a team loses it's best offensive player, the rest of the team rallies in his absence. Sure, some stats may suggest that this team SHOULD be 2-4, but the Ewing Effect at least needs to be considered.

- Similarly, a high-priced free agent apparently just completely lost his **** the day before the season opener, and stalked his FORMER EMPLOYER. Has there been a weirder high-profile act of craziness that didn't involve the words "Tawny Kitaen?" (Side note, I'd like to see a separate study of the potential effect on the Dolphins record if Whitesnake was played during home games.) We need to see what the potential effect of a starting MLB going AWOL is, historically, before we make any judgements on what should and should not be wins.

- "Hundred Year Storms" - certainly, this would factor into the performance of a team. Alas, as the NFL is not yet 100 years old. So, there cannot mathematically be more than one other "hundred year storm" to consider. (Yes, if we consider 1992's Hurricane Andrew the END of a 100 year cycle, this works just fine.) So...let's take a look at 1992. Much like this year, they had a Week 1 bye. Much like the 2017 squad, they ALSO won three games by four or fewer points. However, the 1992 squad went 6-0 to start the season, then dropped their next two games. They also did this without having to travel to London, and with a QB who had less "Smokin" and more "The Man" attributed to his name.

If the above is measured into the equation, I, for one, would suggest that the 4-2 start this year is attributed to intangibles (which by their very definition cannot be defined statistically). Furthermore, I would suggest, NAY...PROCLAIM...that the 4-2 record is not luck, but rather a REGRESSION. The history of 1992 suggests that the Fins should...theoretically...win their next two games to reach 6-2 for the first half of the season.
 
OP raises a very, very interesting question. Right now Football Outsiders has us as the second worst 4-2 team in history, with last year's Texans a close 3rd. And it fits in very well with what I've seen, too. We've been extremely fortunate in three of our four wins -except the Jets, who suck and we barely beat at home with the biggest 4th quarter comeback of the year so far.

So we're magic! The big question is, is magic real? If magic is real, we can keep it up. If it's not, we're coming back down to earth, son. This is a serious question. The only people I'd trust to answer it are the Vegas hotshots who actually lay their money on the line and beat the house.

To them I ask, is magic real??


That's exactly the point.

And those Vegas hotshots are using the kinds of variables mentioned in the original post to make bets, if they're smart.
 
You are what your record says you are. Trying to belittle it or explain it away as just luck and nothing more is just dribble IMO

Just how lucky have we been ? Losing our quality starting QB and starting MLB for the year was bad luck. Hurricane disrupting the schedule and costing a bye week was bad luck.


There are plenty of important variables in the NFL that are more random than systematic. See here for example:

http://blog.minitab.com/blog/the-st...look-at-how-turnovers-impacted-the-nfl-season

Benefiting greatly from an important random variable is good luck. Having an important random variable go against you is bad luck.

Consider this question: if a team has enjoyed the weakest strength of schedule over a season (calculated at the end of the season), is that good luck? Certainly it doesn't represent skill or some other stable characteristic of the team.
 
There are plenty of important variables in the NFL that are more random than systematic. See here for example:

http://blog.minitab.com/blog/the-st...look-at-how-turnovers-impacted-the-nfl-season

Benefiting greatly from an important random variable is good luck. Having an important random variable go against you is bad luck.

Consider this question: if a team has enjoyed the weakest strength of schedule over a season (calculated at the end of the season), is that good luck? Certainly it doesn't represent skill or some other stable characteristic of the team.

This is absolutely incorrect, considering that said team was instrumental in contributing to said strength of schedule, particularly if said team's divisional opponents finished with a worse record.
 
You are what your record says you are. Trying to belittle it or explain it away as just luck and nothing more is just dribble IMO

Just how lucky have we been ? Losing our quality starting QB and starting MLB for the year was bad luck. Hurricane disrupting the schedule and costing a bye week was bad luck.
End thread.......
 
This is absolutely incorrect, considering that said team was instrumental in contributing to said strength of schedule, particularly if said team's divisional opponents finished with a worse record.


How can a team be instrumental in determining its strength of schedule, when its opposing teams play 14 or 15 other games against other teams?

If it's based on the opposing teams' records, a team has between a 6% and 12.5% chance of determining its strength of schedule. At least 87.5% of a team's strength of schedule is determined beyond its control.
 
How can a team be instrumental in determining its strength of schedule, when its opposing teams play 14 or 15 other games against other teams? If it's based on the opposing teams' records, a team has exactly a 6% or 12.5% chance of determining its strength of schedule. 87.5% to 94% of a team's strength of schedule is determined beyond its control.

Your math is flawed.

6% to 12.5% is the effect one team has against ONE OPPONENT in their strength of schedule. Not their entire schedule.

Or are you saying that the Patriots have just been really lucky with a ridiculously easy strength of schedule at the end of the season for a decade?
 
6% to 12.5% is the effect one team has against ONE OPPONENT in their strength of schedule. Not their entire schedule.


And each of those one opponents plays 14 or 15 other games that also determine their final record, and consequently a team's own strength of schedule. The records of the teams played are based at least 87.5% on what they're doing against other teams in the league.
 
Me intentionally being difficult aside...this is a really good read on how little S.O.S. means. Take it as you wish.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2015/09/07/nfl-2015-season-strength-of-schedule-afc-nfc


That article deals with the effect of the predicted strength of schedule, based on what teams did the preceding year. The changes in teams' performances from year to year weakens the effect of that variable.

What I'm talking about here is the strength of schedule determined at the end of the year, based on the records of the teams already played that year. Some teams had an easier go of it through the season, and other teams had a harder go of it.

The 2016 Dolphins for example had the 5th-weakest schedule in the league, based on their opponents' 2016 combined records.
 
And each of those one opponents plays 14 or 15 other games that also determine their final record, and consequently a team's own strength of schedule. The records of the teams played are based at least 87.5% on what they're doing against other teams in the league.

Correct.

The point is that the one team in question ALSO plays 15 other games. And it has more than a 6 to 12.5% effect on it's OWN strength of schedule.
 
the choices should be: was it faeries or gremlins? because they have the same amount quantitative reality as intangibles or luck
 
the choices should be: was it faeries or gremlins? because they have the same amount quantitative reality as intangibles or luck


No, you can't quantify the intangibles, but if they exist and they are stable characteristics of the team, they can contribute to further unexpected winning of this nature. If they're unstable characteristics of the team, then they're unlikely to help the team continue to win in this way.
 
No, you can't quantify the intangibles, but if they exist and they are stable characteristics of the team, they can contribute to further unexpected winning of this nature. If they're unstable characteristics of the team, then they're unlikely to help the team continue to win in this way.

here is a hint none of these things exist
 
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