Ireland mentioned in USA Today story on alleged NFL illegal interview practices

[phintim]

If theni interview with Bryant went as posted then he implied his mothers profession and Ireland followed up on Bryant's statement. If that interview statement was true that implies either Bryant was very immature to say something like that at that time or simply is not very intelligent take your pick. How many of you would admit that your Dad was a pimp and that your Mom worked for your Dad if asked even if it was true?

 

[Vertical Limit]

Agreed on Ireland about this issue...After the whore question where he got crushed, no way he puts his name in the news for another dumb question...

Too many on this site are simply content with mediocrity...4 losing seasons and many still are okay with Ireland...Standards have fallen for many Dolfans...

Mediocrity = 7-9, 7-9, 6-10, 7-9.

Um your post just told me Ireland likes doing the same stupid things over and over again, so no reason to doubt he would ask a question like this.

 

[cuchulainn]

"There was a couple of questions by coaches … they try to catch you off guard or try to say something you wouldn’t normally say … to see if they can get a reaction. They’re trying to see how badly they can get in your mind."


As for those specific inquiries? "They ask you like, 'Do you have a girlfriend? Are you married? Do you like girls?'" Kasa told the hosts. "Those kinds of things. It was kind of weird. But they would ask you with a straight face, and it’s a pretty weird experience altogether."

Ireland isn't a coach, so it wasn't him. Also asking someone if they like girls (plural), doesn't necessarily mean they are asking if he is gay. That seems to be an assumption by story hounds. It could mean are you a playboy ala Gronk, who enjoys partying publicly with numerous girls, including porn stars and strippers, and also whether they would have to worry about extra security issues with him.

Much ado about nothing based on what was in the report.

 

[z926538]

"There was a couple of questions by coaches … they try to catch you off guard or try to say something you wouldn’t normally say … to see if they can get a reaction. They’re trying to see how badly they can get in your mind."


As for those specific inquiries? "They ask you like, 'Do you have a girlfriend? Are you married? Do you like girls?'" Kasa told the hosts. "Those kinds of things. It was kind of weird. But they would ask you with a straight face, and it’s a pretty weird experience altogether."

Ireland isn't a coach, so it wasn't him. Also asking someone if they like girls (plural), doesn't necessarily mean they are asking if he is gay. That seems to be an assumption by story hounds. It could mean are you a playboy ala Gronk, who enjoys partying publicly with numerous girls, including porn stars and strippers, and also whether they would have to worry about extra security issues with him.

Much ado about nothing based on what was in the report.

Just the fact that you are in the neighborhood of that topic is enough to cause many companies to settle with a prospective employee in a EEOC complaint. I have been on the manager side of this HR briefing multiple times and it is always made clear, absolutely clear: no discussion of employee sexuality or family in any meeting that could be construed to be related to potential employment. You don't go there in your questioning, you don't follow it up if the prospective employee brings it up first. To act otherwise is to potentially cost your company hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines and damages after the lawyers get done.

It amazes me that the NFL hasn't figured this out yet. [Or maybe they have. The league office was pretty clear in their public statements today.] As surely as former players are suing the NFL over concussions, some enterprising young lawyer with a political agenda is going to find a kid who isn't happy with where he was drafted and is going to sue the NFL over this issue. The NFL is about the most money rich target that I can imagine in this point in time.​

 

[royalshank]

Irregardless of the motive of the questions, both the league offices and the NFL player union are in complete agreement that all national, state and local employment laws must be followed by the teams. If you have ever been in a position where you have interviewed a potential employee, you are made aware by HR that there are certain questions you can not ask because they are against the law to ask. Questions regarding sexual orientation are on that list.

Exactly. After the Dez Bryant thing it boggled my mind that Ireland wasn't fired. In what professional organization can you ask someone a question like that in job interview and it be considered "ok"? Most companies have a zero tolerance policy when it comes to this type of behavior.

 

[ohall]

You understand why it would be asked, but it's not appropriate in today's world. It just makes you look like a scumbag. I understand why the coaches may want to know. The locker room can be a delicate thing, and is prob the most important thing when it comes to becoming a champion. And coaches coach, and they may think they can coach a situation like that. But they way I look at it, the locker room will take care of that if one of their own is gay. Unless the guy is making passes at other players I honestly don't see it as an issue. If you are gay and help the team win, guys won't care.

I don't know if it's true, but it's my understanding the question was asked in a rhetorical way. It was a odd attempt at humor, that's what I heard any way.

 

[ohall]

Exactly. After the Dez Bryant thing it boggled my mind that Ireland wasn't fired. In what professional organization can you ask someone a question like that in job interview and it be considered "ok"? Most companies have a zero tolerance policy when it comes to this type of behavior.

Asking Dez if his mom is a prostitute IMO was totally inline. It was public knowledge the type of ppl his mom was associating with. You are supposed to push these players buttons, IMO good job Ireland. It's football man, these guys aren't interviewing for a fortune 500 job.

The question wasn't concerning, anything racial, sexual, or his personal sexual orientation. I'm not sure what the big deal is. The guys mom was associating with a pimp, at least that's what I've heard and read.

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Just the fact that you are in the neighborhood of that topic is enough to cause many companies to settle with a prospective employee in a EEOC complaint. I have been on the manager side of this HR briefing multiple times and it is always made clear, absolutely clear: no discussion of employee sexuality or family in any meeting that could be construed to be related to potential employment. You don't go there in your questioning, you don't follow it up if the prospective employee brings it up first. To act otherwise is to potentially cost your company hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines and damages after the lawyers get done.

It amazes me that the NFL hasn't figured this out yet. [Or maybe they have. The league office was pretty clear in their public statements today.] As surely as former players are suing the NFL over concussions, some enterprising young lawyer with a political agenda is going to find a kid who isn't happy with where he was drafted and is going to sue the NFL over this issue. The NFL is about the most money rich target that I can imagine in this point in time.​

If a player was to file a complaint like that, the odds of them ever playing in the NFL prob would be ZERO at that point.

 

[Vertical Limit]

Exactly. After the Dez Bryant thing it boggled my mind that Ireland wasn't fired. In what professional organization can you ask someone a question like that in job interview and it be considered "ok"? Most companies have a zero tolerance policy when it comes to this type of behavior.

This is the NFL, where a murderer can kill someone after a Super Bowl and still resume a Hall of Fame career for 12 more years no questions asked.

 

[Nublar7]

This is the NFL, where a murderer can kill someone after a Super Bowl and still resume a Hall of Fame career for 12 more years no questions asked.

Lets not try and compare a situation where two people were murdered to a situation where someone asked an uncomfortable question during a job interview.

 

[dlockz]

Asking Dez if his mom is a prostitute IMO was totally inline. It was public knowledge the type of ppl his mom was associating with. You are supposed to push these players buttons, IMO good job Ireland. It's football man, these guys aren't interviewing for a fortune 500 job.

The question wasn't concerning, anything racial, sexual, or his personal sexual orientation. I'm not sure what the big deal is. The guys mom was associating with a pimp, at least that's what I've heard and read.

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If a player was to file a complaint like that, the odds of them ever playing in the NFL prob would be ZERO at that point.

This push these players buttons is such bs, this is isnt about a fortune 500 job its still about professionalism. It was an unprofessional question, why is that so hard to admit lol. You cannot try to replicate the environment on a football field in an interview for one everyone is on their best behavior for an interview. By your logic to push a player's button no question should be off limits so calling a player a racial name should be well in line also. You feel the question is no big deal, what precisely do you gain from asking the question? I mean it isnt even about being a legal question its about ethics and professionalism. So if asked the question and a player told a gm that was none of his friggin business or what does that have to do with anything do you count that against him. I mean what logical conclusion do you gain because a person's mom was possibly a prostitute.

I hope whateverperson asked this sexual orientation question gets a hefty fine or possiblely fired and that will go along way towards teams actually conducting themselves in the professional manner they should.

 

[ohall]

This push these players buttons is such bs, this is isnt about a fortune 500 job its still about professionalism. It was an unprofessional question, why is that so hard to admit lol. You cannot try to replicate the environment on a football field in an interview for one everyone is on their best behavior for an interview. By your logic to push a player's button no question should be off limits so calling a player a racial name should be well in line also. You feel the question is no big deal, what precisely do you gain from asking the question? I mean it isnt even about being a legal question its about ethics and professionalism. So if asked the question and a player told a gm that was none of his friggin business or what does that have to do with anything do you count that against him. I mean what logical conclusion do you gain because a person's mom was possibly a prostitute.

I hope whateverperson asked this sexual orientation question gets a hefty fine or possiblely fired and that will go along way towards teams actually conducting themselves in the professional manner they should.

I don't see anything unethical with the question, again, it was reported in the public arena.

It's Ireland's job to push buttons, sorry. Anyone that has been in a locker room as a athlete at any level knows, it's not the 1st time Dez had to have dealt with that question, or comments about his moms. Ireland may have simply, in his mind, been trying to not bring a cancer into his locker room. It's an excellent way to see what's going on in Dez's mind.

I think you may be missing the point however. Ireland knew the answer to question, he was looking for Dez's response. If Dez couldn't handle a question like that, he has no business playing in the NFL IMO. As PRO he could have possibly faced even more probing questions from the press. He handled it, well sort of. If Dez really wanted to get the upper hand, he simply would have never mentioned it once he left the draft interview room.

 

[dlockz]

I don't see anything unethical with the question, again, it was reported in the public arena.

It's Ireland's job to push buttons, sorry. Anyone that has been in a locker room as a athlete at any level knows, it's not the 1st time Dez had to have dealt with that question, or comments about his moms. Ireland may have simply, in his mind, been trying to not bring a cancer into his locker room. It's an excellent way to see what's going on in Dez's mind.

I think you may be missing the point however. Ireland knew the answer to question, he was looking for Dez's response. If Dez couldn't handle a question like that, he has no business playing in the NFL IMO. As PRO he could have possibly faced even more probing questions from the press. He handled it, well sort of. If Dez really wanted to get the upper hand, he simply would have never mentioned it once he left the draft interview room.

So if he answered that its none of your business and Im offended that you said that, how do u gauge it. Personally I think it would have been funny if Bryant had punched Ireland but of course that would be career suicide. Some Gm that was a kicker would not be able to replicate what a player goes through on the field and he is definately not a pschology major. So I mean legal stuff aside if he thought Bryant was gay and he called him a ****** , I mean that would be testing the player wouldnt it but regardless none of that has any business in an interview. I once had a first sergeant call me a wop then asked if I was offended by it. In reality I was more shocked that anybody still uses that term but still quite inappropriate thing to say but because of his position it wouldnt be in my best career instincts to do much but think he was stupid. I have been in the locker room as an athlete and on the battlefield and no its not his job to push anybody's buttons , its his job to do research and make decisions not ask irrelevent questions.

 

[ohall]

So if he answered that its none of your business and Im offended that you said that, how do u gauge it. Personally I think it would have been funny if Bryant had punched Ireland but of course that would be career suicide. Some Gm that was a kicker would not be able to replicate what a player goes through on the field and he is definately not a pschology major. So I mean legal stuff aside if he thought Bryant was gay and he called him a ****** , I mean that would be testing the player wouldnt it but regardless none of that has any business in an interview. I once had a first sergeant call me a wop then asked if I was offended by it. In reality I was more shocked that anybody still uses that term but still quite inappropriate thing to say but because of his position it wouldnt be in my best career instincts to do much but think he was stupid. I have been in the locker room as an athlete and on the battlefield and no its not his job to push anybody's buttons , its his job to do research and make decisions not ask irrelevent questions.

Sorry D, it's part of the modern GM to push players buttons in those meetings. And I'll type it for I think the 3rd time, the information was in the public arena, so IMO it's fair game.

I'll give you another example, if a GM was to ask Manti Te'o if he was gay, IMO that's fair game. That rumor, or talk has been in the public arena. Now if a GM is randomly asking players that question, IMO that would be inappropriate, it's just weird.

Also apparently, it's not against FED law to ask possible employees of their sexual orientation. I believe only 4 states have outlawed that.

 

[Vertical Limit]

Finheaven, where asking someone if their mother is a prostitute is a legitimate interview question.

By the way, has anyone seen Dez's mother? If she's a prostitute she is very cheap.

 

[phintim]

Des Byant IMO situation was different "if" Dez admitted up front that his Dad was a pimp and his mother worked for his Dad "after" he was asked by Ireland what his parents did for a living. The media and Players union implied that was all Ireland asked Dez. Like I said earlier Dez was very dumb for saying that about his parents and in fact in his statement implied that about his mother himself. Our society is going down a slippery slope where accountability is being demanded of a some and not others just for social reasons.