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Feverdream said:
It'll likely depend on how it's written, but most seem to have clauses that give teams this ability.
Once he's suspended... and that's almost a given since he's had two gun issues in three months, he won't be paid.
Evidently his court hearing has been scheduled for October 18, though I'll bet he tries to get this delayed as long as possible
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It may have some governance by the collective bargaining agreement as well ... but I'm not familiar enough with that document to know.

One thing I seem to recall is that during those negotiations the primary concern of the players was .... wait for it .... money. But the primary concern for the owners was the "integrity of the shield." The owners insisted on rules that safeguarded anyone from "tarnishing the shield" or lowering the good image the league has among people. If the brand looks wholesome, it's a lot easier for politicians to maintain the anti-trust exemption and networks to pay gazillions to air the games. But once the shield starts taking a hit, like it did in the Ray Rice era, the non-fans are a very real threat to destroy the entire league. When politicians waver because of those zealots, things like helmet safety start to threaten the very existence of the sport.

So, while the players were more focused on the short-term of their careers (and understandably so), the owners were concerned with the long-term of their investments (and understandably so). In the end, its probably mostly about money to both sides ... but for us fans, keeping the integrity of the shield paramount is the one thing that ensures we have an NFL to watch for the rest of our lives.

Fins crossed at least.
 
Digital said:
It may have some governance by the collective bargaining agreement as well ... but I'm not familiar enough with that document to know.

One thing I seem to recall is that during those negotiations the primary concern of the players was .... wait for it .... money. But the primary concern for the owners was the "integrity of the shield." The owners insisted on rules that safeguarded anyone from "tarnishing the shield" or lowering the good image the league has among people. If the brand looks wholesome, it's a lot easier for politicians to maintain the anti-trust exemption and networks to pay gazillions to air the games. But once the shield starts taking a hit, like it did in the Ray Rice era, the non-fans are a very real threat to destroy the entire league. When politicians waver because of those zealots, things like helmet safety start to threaten the very existence of the sport.

So, while the players were more focused on the short-term of their careers (and understandably so), the owners were concerned with the long-term of their investments (and understandably so). In the end, its probably mostly about money to both sides ... but for us fans, keeping the integrity of the shield paramount is the one thing that ensures we have an NFL to watch for the rest of our lives.

Fins crossed at least.
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It's to everyone's benefit that the guys who do these boneheaded things are escorted out of the room.

At this point, Frank Clark has been found guilty of beating his pregnant girlfriend, and now has two arrests for illegal firearms... it doesn't take much of a leap to get us back to Ray Rice and Rae Carruth here.

Many businesses would immediately fire a guy with this much negative PR, but in a performance sport with huge contracts, it's harder.
 
More on Frank Clark:

The Kansas City Chiefs offense is filled to the brim with elite weapons. Well, last night we learned that their defense has some weapons of their own, just not the kind any football team wants to have.

Chiefs star edge-rusher Frank Clark was charged with felony illegal firearm possession after police discovered an Uzi tucked away in a duffel bag in Clark’s SUV during a “routine traffic stop” in Los Angeles. Unfortunately, this latest infraction by Clark is just another in a long line of criminal behaviors from the 2020 Super Bowl champion.

Most recently, Clark was arrested in March of this year on another felony gun charge when California Highway Patrol recovered two loaded firearms from Clark’s car. Much like his arrest yesterday, Clark was released on bail less than 24 hours after being charged.

However, the felony gun charges are just the tip of the iceberg for Clark. While still attending the University of Michigan in 2014, he was charged with domestic violence and assault after an altercation with his then-girlfriend at a hotel in Sandusky, Ohio. Clark was dismissed from the Michigan football team after this incident. According to witness reports, Clark’s girlfriend’s brothers came out of the room screaming that Clark was “killing our sister.” Other witnesses reported seeing the girl unconscious on the ground while Clark screamed at onlookers. Clark claims that he never touched his girlfriend, but reports indicate that the woman had bruise marks on her cheek and red marks on her neck. Clark’s charge was reduced to fourth-degree disorderly conduct, with Clark completing a 25-week domestic violence course.

Just two years prior, while still attending the University of Michigan, Clark pleaded guilty to a felony charge of second-degree home invasion after stealing a MacBook Air from a dorm room across the hall from him. Clark faced a maximum sentence of 15 years in prison and a $3,000 fine, but the charge was ultimately expunged under the Holmes Youthful Trainee Act, which offers first-time offenders a chance to keep their criminal record clean as long as they complete probation. Clark was given a one-game suspension from the Michigan football team.

Generally, it rubs me the wrong way when a poster comes in here and describes a player as 'garbage', just because he isn't good enough at football. I've always thought 'garbage' refers to players like Frank Clark. He's a thief, he abuses women, and he thinks gun laws don't apply to him... if he didn't play football, he'd likely be in jail.
 
Feverdream said:
Generally, it rubs me the wrong way when a poster comes in here and describes a player as 'garbage', just because he isn't good enough at football. I've always thought 'garbage' refers to players like Frank Clark. He's a thief, he abuses women, and he thinks gun laws don't apply to him... if he didn't play football, he'd likely be in jail.
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Couldn’t agree with the last paragraph more. Unfortunately the chiefs have shown that there is a competitive advantage in overlooking the transgressions of garbage people
 
ugadolfan said:
Couldn’t agree with the last paragraph more. Unfortunately the chiefs have shown that there is a competitive advantage in overlooking the transgressions of garbage people.
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This, in a nutshell, is why the league is tasked with disciplinary matters, rather than the teams themselves.
 
If it Was a routine traffic stop they had no right to search his bag, no probable cause and I'm sure Clark has a slew of Lawyers, who will no doubt get the charges dropped. The true crime by Clark was having an Uzi when they're so many better choices available over that ''Miami Vice Relic''
 
NY8123 said:
There is no speed associated with it in Arizona like in Virginia or other states. The DA will most likely reduce it for him since he's clean and this is his first real issue with the law.
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I lived in Ohio and was the president of the city council where I lived. Part of those duties was being the official replacement for the mayor when he was out of town.

I had to be able to adjudicate Mayors Court, which required I take a course at Capital University, along with the mayor, in order to hear DWI cases. We would never reduce charges on a speeding ticket if it was in excess of 20 mph over the speed limit.

We typically held Mayors Court once a week. When we found we had a big turnout approaching or exceeding 100 cases, we would establish a second Mayors Court that week to cover the all the cases we could not complete that evening. These were not rare occurrence's.

A case like this football player would not have been bargained down or modified. If a person wasn't happy with our fines, they could always take it to County Court. Most didn't, not because they wouldn't get a reduced fine, but because it was too inconvenient for them to go to court a second time.
 
Ray R said:
I lived in Ohio and was the president of the city council where I lived. Part of those duties was being the official replacement for the mayor when he was out of town.

I had to be able to adjudicate Mayors Court, which required I take a course at Capital University, along with the mayor, in order to hear DWI cases. We would never reduce charges on a speeding ticket if it was in excess of 20 mph over the speed limit.

We typically held Mayors Court once a week. When we found we had a big turnout approaching or exceeding 100 cases, we would establish a second Mayors Court that week to cover the all the cases we could not complete that evening. These were not rare occurrence's.

A case like this football player would not have been bargained down or modified. If a person wasn't happy with our fines, they could always take it to County Court. Most didn't, not because they wouldn't get a reduced fine, but because it was too inconvenient for them to go to court a second time.
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Either way it isn't a big deal. If he had been blasted drunk and hit someone or worse sure but he was only speeding albeit at a high rate of speed. In Arizona it isn't uncommon to reduce that offense and a quick Google search will list a host of lawyers willing to take the case with numerous outcomes possible.

Worse case it's a misdemeanor. I'm guessing he enters a "Drag Racing" plea, which is a law in Arizona.
 
really liked him pre draft. if we somehow got him I would be happy. but it isn't happening. get messed up. it could have been worse. is was freaking absolutely stupid and dangerous and could have not only killed himself but someone else. that said I think we have all sped, he wasn't drunk, fine him, slap his hand and i think he will be just fine. he is a good kid
 
miamiron said:
If it Was a routine traffic stop they had no right to search his bag, no probable cause and I'm sure Clark has a slew of Lawyers, who will no doubt get the charges dropped. The true crime by Clark was having an Uzi when they're so many better choices available over that ''Miami Vice Relic''
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Actually, if the police did one of their 'You don't have any drugs in the vehicle do you? Mind if we look?" then Clark doesn't have much to work with in his defense.

What boggles my mind is why does a guy with the money he has and lawyers on retainer not have the proper licenses to carry his weapons legally?
 
Mark_J said:
Actually, if the police did one of their 'You don't have any drugs in the vehicle do you? Mind if we look?" then Clark doesn't have much to work with in his defense.

What boggles my mind is why does a guy with the money he has and lawyers on retainer not have the proper licenses to carry his weapons legally?
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Good point. If he hired a body guard, it was his responsibility to make sure that body guard was legitimate i.e. held the proper licenses for the tools of his trade.

If the guy had a gun (or any other contraband) open to view from outside the car, the police not only had the right to secure it, they are obligated by law to secure it. If his BG had a license for the weapon, we would not have heard about this and this yoyo involved would not have gone to jail.
 
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