The New Guy said:
If Allen is mediocre, what is your opinion on Madison at this point in his career? To me, Madison is at best mediocre, and will only get worse as he gets older. Allen on the other hand is young, and will most likely get better. So, even if Allen does not do any better in Miami, I think it is still a good move because right now he is just as good as Madison, and has the potential to get better. Madison is just going to get worse.
I thought madison has been declining for years and really hasn't lived up to the reputation he earned earlier in his career. The move itslef was not bad, at worst you get a guy as good as Sam now and he's alot younger but alot of the dolphin fans are acting like Allen is Darrell Green.
The New Guy said:
Boy do I feel dumb. I knew that, but I guess it will take me some more time to get used to the Cardinals being in the NFC West.
I still forget that now and then, the old divisions were around for so long it's still a habit to think of AZ in the East.
Moss did just get traded to the Redskins, but they did have Coles before that.
true but the NFC east did not have alot of good playmaking WRs in Allen's day's w/ the Giants.
-The Skins had Coles for 2 years, Moss for 1
-The Eagles had TO for basically a year
-Dal had Galloway last year
-I think david Boston was in AZ in Allen's rookie year when AZ was still in the East
That's not alot of top flight WRs and it's not like each team had those players every year.
Even though the Vikings and Rams were not in the same division, the Giants faced the Vikings once a year for the last four seasons, and have faced the Rams 3 times out of 4. My point is, Allen has faced some pretty good receivers in his time with the Giants, and in the last 4 years has better stats than Madison.
Every corner is going to face good receivers now and then. I know IMNts are not everything but Allen in 5 years has had more than 2 INts twice while Sam in 9 years has been under 2 only twice and in '98 sam had 8 INTs which is the career total of Allen. Allen has more passes defended b/c QBs throw more his way than Sam. Oh and Sam has faced much better WRs- guys like Keyshaw(when he was a top WR), Coles, Moss, Moulds, Andre Reed, Chrebet, Troy Brown, Terry Glenn, Peerless price(when he was good), etc...
Couldn’t do a thing He had Kordell in 01 and they still almost beat the Pats. Kordell cost the Steelers the game throwing two costly picks in the last three minutes, when it was only a 7 point difference. They only put up 17 points, but remember NE had the 6th ranked defense.
Kordell got them to the title game and he led Pitt to 27 pts against Bal's D the week before. I wouldn't say Kordell cost them the game when the Pats had a PR TD and a blocked FG TD and only lost by 7.
As for winning the Super Bowl after he left, don't you think Roethlisberger had somthing to do with that?
Sure but Whisenhunt has done a great job w/ him. Ben doesn't carry that team, he doesn't allow him to try to do too much. I'm not a Mularkey guy, I didn't like him in Pitt and he was terrible as a HC.
The bottom line is when he was the OC, the Steelers had Tommy Maddox, and Kordell Stewart, and still the offenses were pretty good.
he caught ligthning in a bottle w/ both of those guys. Remember Stewart also made an AFC Title Game as a starter in 1997 and Tommy maddox was the XFL's lone MVP:D
Even if you don’t feel Malakey and Capers are upgrades, do you still think that the Dolphins have not improved personnel wise?
No, not really. That falls back to what I think of Daunte. he is the jewel of yuor offseason and I don't think he's half as good as his hype. I do think you upgraded in some areas and possibly upgraded in others but I think you made a major mistake w/ Daunte.
Do you really believe Frerotte is better than Culpepper? Do you feel that at this point in his career, Madison is better than Allen? You have to say that LJ is at least an upgrade to the depth if nothing else. Can you honestly say that the Dolphins have not improved personnel wise?
I would have stuck w/ Frerotte to wait out a better QB becoming available or drafting a QB. Frerotte will never put up great #s but he's made the playoffs as much as Daunte has and he led Miami to 9 wins in a better conf last year while daunte put up those "great" #s in '04 and led Minny to 8-8.
I'd say Allen-Madison is a wash and Shelton does provide depth. I do think the dolphins will be better this year but it may not be reflected in the record. I think simply b/c of young players from last year growing up a bit and from the team being in Saban's system year 2 you'll have a better team. You may not win 9 games again(I could say anywhere from 7-10 wins) b/c people won't be surprised like I think you caught them a bit last year but I do think you'll be a better team.
Fortunately, I am not old enough to remember the Dolphins last Super Bowl appearance. There is no unfortunately about that, as I do not think I would have wanted to watch that game live.
i was just a young kid and didn't really understand the rivalry then so I was actually rooting for you in that SB.