Slappy8800
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i agree...dONT draft cutler
dorsaroll156 said:jay cutler.i dont know why no one would take vince young.hes a beast.cutler is just bad.
Slappy8800 said:i agree...dONT draft cutler
use the "edit" button on the bottom to finish the message.scottn44 said:somehow I posted in the middle of typing the message.
Everyone's entitled to their oown opinion. The uneducated ones are pretty obvious. You can not like him, you can not want us to draft him, thats fine, but to say he's "bad" is just ignorance.Finfanforever said:Give him a break, he's only 15...he may learn SOMETHING about football one day.:sidelol:
Vince was a machine in college because once he got out of the pocket he was on an entirely different planet than the guys trying to catch him. This is especially true of the two Rose Bowl comebacks that are largely resposible for his high stock - defense back playing to prevent the big gain pass play (or else, as USC did at times, coming at him with too many), no one to throw to but no one in front of him either, so he takes off and the defensive players can't consistently take him down in the open field.
This same edge won't help him to that extent at the next level. First, coaches are begining to devise effective ways to minimize the damage of a dual threat QB in a standard offense, thanks in large part to the damage Vick did in the past - who, you might notice, has been largely contained by solid defenses lately. Second, the talent disparity is not the same (although it will obviously still exist). The bottom line is that in the NFL, he will face better athletes who are coached to be in better places to keep him from making plays. This is true of all college QBs (and is obviously why it's so hard to make the transition), but the effect is even MORE pronounced for a QB such as young.
Now, I'm not saying that Young isn't a phenom. He has the tools (arms strength, leadership, etc) to become a very good NFL QB. However, my biggest issue with dual threat QBs is that they have no way to maximize the impact of their talents. They run, in general, on 'broken' plays trying to make something out of nothing - puting their bodies at risk for higher rates of injury over the long term. Even designed running plays for them revolve around draws, etc. To me, the greatest assest of a dual threat QB can only be used with full effectiveness in a system that forces the defense to defend both the run and the pass option at every point until the ball crosses the line of scrimmage. That's never been done before, and I have no idea how to go about it - the only system I know of that has this element to it at all is Urban Meyer's 'Spread Option' attack, and I personally believe that's far from proven.
One day someone will build an entire system from the ground up designed entirely to maximize the benefits of a top-tier dual threat QB. Let's face it: despite arm strength and other measurables, the running QBs we've seen so far haven't been at the level of the best pocket passer (I believe this is because they've been able to out-athlete their competition and haven't had to develop those skills, but that's just my theory). So until some revolutionary new system crops up, the Mike Vicks and Vince Youngs of the world have to try to fit themselves into a mold that just doesn't utilize their skills - and that spells trouble for an organization that dumps a ton of cap money into their contracts.
MiamiHitman said:Don't waste a 1st round pick on Jay Cutler!!! This guy is so over-rated, it's becoming comical. Don't believe the hype, people!!! ...... cuz that's all it is ...... HYPE!!!
PhinSoldia said:why??
MiamiHitman said:Don't waste a 1st round pick on Jay Cutler!!! This guy is so over-rated, it's becoming comical. Don't believe the hype, people!!! ...... cuz that's all it is ...... HYPE!!!
SpeedRush99 said:Have you seen him play, other than the senior bowl?