Just a couple of things that I don't think you're following me here with. First, my point of him being a slot WR is that you can't run your offense thru him and expect to score a lot. I have explained tis several times before and plenty of people agree. You need to understand that with Landry as the main target you need drives that are 12 to 14 play because he doesn't give you chunk yards. The problem when you need that many plays is that you'll have more chances to mess up. A bad pass or a drop or a penalty or a sack. That's why we have so many drives that ended up having to punt or on a F/G. Is very hard to run 12 to 14 plays where everything goes perfect. When you have a real #1 that makes plays down the field OR takes a short pass and turns it into a 40 yards play(something Landry doesn't do) then you don't need 12 plays to score. So that's the reason I don't want him to get #1 kind of money, specially when we're talking 14 mill or more. As long as we run our offense thru him we will not have a high scoring offense imo
The part about players giving money back....I'm not suggesting they do. What I'm saying is that you're saying we should pay him more because he didn't get a huge rookie contract but he played well for us and we're supposed to make up for it and so I said to that, are we going to ask other players to give some of their money back because they didn't do as much in their first few years? It wasn't meant to really ask them to give money back. See you're laughing at it but yet YOU'RE saying we need to make up to Landry for what he hasn't made in his first 4 years. Now that's something I can laugh at too. Doesn't make me cool or a better poster than you. We just have a different view on it. You seem to think that paying Landry top 5 money will make our team better and I think that the money can be spend better somewhere else. So, we're going to have to agree to disagree
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Its not about making up what he should of gotten . . . It is about "avoiding" FA market value for "great" players when they hit free agency. Fa market value is wa different from looking at a WR highest paid list from OvertheCap.com and coming to a conclusion on what a player should make. Higher cap, ages when a player was signed, etc. all play a role.
Miami could of signed him to a top level slot contract last year but instead decided to take their coins early and let Jarvis play out his rookie deal and he lead the NFL in receptions.
People who think the end result should be Jarvis saying "Well i reconfirmed for the 4th straight year that I am the dude and even added touchdowns producer to the resume so give me that deal from the 2017 offseason" are just completely mislead on the entire situation. It is not how the NFL works and that is where you and I will continue to disagree because you think it does work that way.
Miami knows this and the likely franchise tag you see placed on Jarvis if a deal isn't done will reconfirm this. The cap can be manipulated in so many ways man. Hell right now New Orleans is about to take an 18 million dollar cap hit if Drew Brees signs somewhere else . . . Why? Because they manipulated the cap to give them space now only to be hurt later and even when later comes, they drafted better so all these little holes they filled make it less likely to use that cap on FA and saves them.
And i am not sure where you think any team doesn't wanna score with 12 play drives on every series. That is the goal my friend. 12 to 14 play drives, chewing up 7 minutes TOP and coming away with 7 while you have a bunch of hungry dudes on defense that are well rested and eager to get the ball back to the offense. You think successful teams just lob it up every possession and score in 3 to 5 plays? New England has made an absolute killing of this philosophy for damn near two decades.
I know you have watched this Dolphins offense since Landry has been here . . . .there has yet to be an equivalent of one season of decent offensive line play during his tenure. It is not a coincidence that Jarvis is the producer he is as Tannehill/others don't have the proper time to set up things on the outside with any consistency. Jarvis has been that safety valve.
In 2017 he became a force to reckon with in the redzone . . . Because he is a great player and yet his route running which has been shitted on for some reason in this thread. Unreal thought process out there. The man has played 64 out of 64 games and is on a hall of fame pace statistically . . . .but yet he is just any old slot WR?
No, he is the best slot WR in the NFL and if the 2nd best slot WR, Doug Baldwin, got 11.5 AAV two years ago at an age that was 2 years older than Landry. . .don't sell me on Jarvis not being worth 14 million because that notion is absolutely FALSE.
The only fair way to evaluate Juice financially to other wide receivers is if you simulate what those guys would make if they were UFAs this year. Any other analysis should fall on deaf ears if we are honest about the situation.
Again doesn't mean we are going to resign. Jarvis will be a hot commodity on the market but that is a damn good player we are talking about and he makes this team better. We need to do our best to keep him.