I have to agree Larry, this quote from Beck kinda tells it all, he discusses how Mueller was contacting him long before Kolb or Beck were drafted(still in the 1st round).
Would Miami still have picked Beck if Kolb was there at #40?
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I have to agree Larry, this quote from Beck kinda tells it all, he discusses how Mueller was contacting him long before Kolb or Beck were drafted(still in the 1st round).
jason8er
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Nice find Blue. I remember a post draft interview with Beck when he said the Dolphins were really the only team that showed interest before the draft. Infact, I remember him saying that no one else really came to see him or anything like that. He said it wasn't until about a week before the draft that scouts and teams even started calling him, and even then, they admitted that they didn't know much about him and haven't seem very much tape of him. That seemed unbelievable to me. So either way, compared to other teams, the Dolphins were all over Beck before the draft.
dlockz
Hall Of Famer
We were looking at Beck but most accounts had him probably gone before our pick so who really knows and the truth will never be told. Targets also are based on who they think will be there. They targeted Ginn but maybe if a differant player drops then they change thier mind. No Gm admits they had other guys that were stolen out from under them. I still believe to this day that Pittsburgh wanted Phil rivers but once they lost him they tried to act like they were targeting Big Ben.
Mueller/Cameron are on record as saying that they were desperately trying to trade into the late 1st round to take Beck, Detroit was considered a huge threat in terms of losing him. The Lions traded down with the Bills, the Bills took Pozlunski, we got Beck, and the Lions took homeboy Stanton. Mueller/Cameron said that they felt lucky for Beck to still be there at #40.
I doubt that any such effort was made for Kolb.
There is no evidence that Kolb was even in their top 3 QBs. On the other hand there is considerable evidence that Beck was the guy they wanted as early as #20. And it was reasonable to believe that Beck would be available for Miami at #40. The only team that was considered a threat to take him was Detroit. There were also rumors that Detroit wanted to trade down. So, odds were actually pretty good that Beck would be available and if he wasn't we probably would have taken Edwards. I don't think Kolb was in their consideration and in my analysis Beck, Edwards and Quinn were far better fits for what Cam was looking for.
ckparrothead
Premium Member
All indications are that Miami's draft board at the QB position looked like
1. Jamarcus Russell
2. Brady Quinn
3. John Beck
4. Trent Edwards
When they passed on Quinn for Ginn, they immediately shifted focus to John Beck first, and Trent Edwards second. Had Beck been gone, they would have taken Edwards.
Dave Hyde's sources within the draft room have said that they had Beck rated slightly higher than Quinn, but I think that they rated Beck as the better passer but Quinn as the better overall prospect because of his age and size.
An interesting question would be, if they had to choose Quinn or Beck at #9, they would probably go with Quinn. But, if they had to choose between Quinn and Beck at #40...I wonder if that's still the case. Some other factors jump into the mix when you're looking at a pick at #40 as opposed to #9.
1. Jamarcus Russell
2. Brady Quinn
3. John Beck
4. Trent Edwards
When they passed on Quinn for Ginn, they immediately shifted focus to John Beck first, and Trent Edwards second. Had Beck been gone, they would have taken Edwards.
Dave Hyde's sources within the draft room have said that they had Beck rated slightly higher than Quinn, but I think that they rated Beck as the better passer but Quinn as the better overall prospect because of his age and size.
An interesting question would be, if they had to choose Quinn or Beck at #9, they would probably go with Quinn. But, if they had to choose between Quinn and Beck at #40...I wonder if that's still the case. Some other factors jump into the mix when you're looking at a pick at #40 as opposed to #9.
Mr772
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dlockz
Hall Of Famer
I agree with your rankings but think they would have taken Quinn if he was there. Just a case of being in love with one player Ginn much more than any other player , even a position of greater need.
Vertical Limit
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Steve Young was a product of the West Coast offense. If he truely was the next Steve Young, Andy Reid would have picked up John Beck over Kolb.
Although Kolb was the QB I prefered...according to Mueller and Cameron...NO. They actually stated that they considered trading up into the latter part of RD 1 in order to ensure that Beck would be available.
But when they saw how far Quinn continued to fall and plummet...they liked their chances at staying put. Then, Mueller actually mentioned somewhere where if Beck would've gone to DET in the 2nd round that they had their eyes on Edwards as a fallback.
But I personally liked Kolb better than Quinn as well. But hindsight is hindsight.
footballer
Pro Bowler
I second that man.
ckparrothead
Premium Member
I'm just thinking that at #40, with the significantly reduced investment being put forward, the staff may have felt ok with going after the player that has more upside and potential...and believe it or not, Beck is the guy that has more upside. Quinn is the guy that, because of his size and experience in a pro style offense, is a safer pick.
Mile High Fin
Pro Bowler
I believe you're correct CK, but maybe a better way to describe their relative rankings to the Fins might be:
1. Jamarcus Russell
2a. Brady Quinn
2b. John Beck
4. Trent Edwards
Since all indications show that while they may have rated Quinn higher, it sounds like it was just slightly higher - virtually equal.
It's maybe just semantics, but saying Quinn was #2 and Beck was #3, makes it sound like there's a WHOLE STEP difference between them, when really they were very tight....
ckparrothead
Premium Member
Semantics but yes, Beck and Quinn were closer than Quinn and Russell, and Beck and Edwards.
I'm not sure that age and size would trump 'better passer'. It wouldn't on my board at least not when Beck had decent size and was only a couple of years older. I guess it comes down to how much better of a passer you rate Beck than Quinn. To my eyes that difference was more significant.