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A New Building Model?

No. There is nothing special about Teddy Bridgewater. If that was the plan, why didn't the franchise just do that with Tannehill? There isn't that big a difference in the level of QB play between the two, so why would they tear down the roster if that was going to be the plan?
Bridgewater did take the Vikings to the playoffs as a rookie and looked pretty solid there before the injury. He was 5-0 in New Orleans, while Brees is now 5-3. I also don't know if he's special enough. I'm not sure he's a top 10 caliber quarterback. So, that's a fair question.
 
So much talk about Tua and the tank. But his injury throws a big monkey wrench on Miami's offseason plans. It may be too big of a risk to take him in the top 10, although many teams will be watching to see how his rehab goes. Another team to watch now in the quarterback search are the soon to be Las Vegas Raiders. To be honest, I think Burrow and a healthy Tua are the only two worth a top 10 pick. That said, I know teams are going to roll the dice. Miami may be one of those with Herbert a stronger possibility now.

The Dolphins could follow a similar path that San Francisco or New Orleans took, though. Neither drafted the quarterback of the future and both are among the best teams in the NFL, the Saints for quite some time now. Miami fans know all too well that the Saints got Brees, while the Dolphins ended up with Culpepper.

One thing is certain, I just don't think a team can win without a top quarterback. The coaching staff here, though, is a positive. Perhaps they can develop one. Think about this. Since Marino retired, Miami hasn't had a top-notch coach. There were a few that did okay, but player development has been a huge reason why the Dolphins have been mediocre for so long. That and, for some reason, never being able to field a solid offensive line. We talk a lot about how Miami could have drafted Rodgers, Brees, Wilson, Ryan, Jackson etc. That's well and good, but how would they have done in Miami with the bumbling coaches the team has had here? And with no offensive line?

Anyway, for the fun of it, let's talk about a different building ideas? How about Bridgewater in free agency? He looked awfully impressive in New Orleans, going 5-0 with nine touchdowns and just two interceptions. If you extrapolate that over 15 games, that's 27 touchdowns and six interceptions. You can win with that. I know, the Saints offense is loaded and Miami's is near expansion team level. There are some trade options, the best might be Cam Newton, but he's an injury risk. The rest are no better than Tannehill, players like Carr, Trubisky, Dalton etc.

Bridgewater was pursued by Miami in the offseason, which means they thought he was at least a fit. He also had a lot of success with DaVante Parker at Lousville. He's a bit too conservative at times, and I do wonder if he moves the needle enough. But, I don't think he's getting big money (qb-wise) and that doesn't preclude the Dolphins taking a quarterback. Although, maybe the team waits until 2021.

I'd favor going heavy on the offensive line in free agency, picking up two quality starters if possible. One, if two aren't available. My biggest splurge in free agency would be a pass rusher either Clowney or Armstead. Watching the Dolphins lack of pass rush has to bug Flores in a big way, plus the team has struggled to find those types of players in the draft. I'd fill in the rest of free agency with depth types. I love Derrick Henry, but I think he's going to be too costly for a running back. Plus, that's a strong suit in the draft.

As to the draft, with the quarterback position solidified (probably), I would look BPA with a focus on the elite positions. Miami could get to 5-11 with NYG and Cincinnati winnable games so drafting close to top 5. How about something like this for the first two rounds.....

1. Derrick Brown DT, Auburn (other option Epenesa)
1. Alex Leatherwood OT, Alabama
1. Tyler Biadasz C, Wisconsin
2. Jalen Hurts, QB, Oklahoma
2. Najee Harris, RB Alabama

Maybe a corner in there. Brown is interesting because he can stop the run and pressure the passer from the inside. Miami does need an edge-setter, but Young will be gone. Epenesa probably ends up top 10. He's intriguing. I would also like to see the Dolphins find a receiver who can take the top off a defense like Ruggs III, but I think he goes top 15. Hurts will likely end up in the first round when all is said and done. Lots of other possibilities there if you don't go quarterback.
There is no wrench.

Tua will be our pick, as it should be.

If he didn’t get injured we would have had no chance.

God has intervened on our behalf. Be happy
 
ATM, Burrow is the only QB worthy of a top 5 pick. Tua, is top 2 ability and skill, but his injury pushes him way down to 7-15 range. I cant see Miami risking Tua with our number 1 pick (and I dont trust our medical staff one bit), so we take the bpa who is healthy with no red flags.

If Thomas the LT is there at 3,4 or 5 then thats where our pick should be. If not, then trade back. Tua may well go to Denver/Tampa/Lions/Chargers but his injury is a major concern, and I wouldnt be taking him with our 1st pick if at number 3/4/5.. 2nd pick in round 1, yes, or if we trade back 4 or 5 spots and he is there, then yes, perhaps.

If gone, Hurts would be good in the 2nd round.

Problem is, is that we have so many holes to fill, and not really any where near enough picks.
 
ATM, Burrow is the only QB worthy of a top 5 pick. Tua, is top 2 ability and skill, but his injury pushes him way down to 7-15 range. I cant see Miami risking Tua with our number 1 pick (and I dont trust our medical staff one bit), so we take the bpa who is healthy with no red flags.

If Thomas the LT is there at 3,4 or 5 then thats where our pick should be. If not, then trade back. Tua may well go to Denver/Tampa/Lions/Chargers but his injury is a major concern, and I wouldnt be taking him with our 1st pick if at number 3/4/5.. 2nd pick in round 1, yes, or if we trade back 4 or 5 spots and he is there, then yes, perhaps.

If gone, Hurts would be good in the 2nd round.

Problem is, is that we have so many holes to fill, and not really any where near enough picks.
I'm warming to Thomas. Very good player in both run blocking and pass protection. Wouldn't mind that. But, I think Miami goes pass rusher there. I like the idea of Hurts as well. I think this is a staff that could get a lot out of him. But, I do think he ends up going in the first round.
 
I'm warming to Thomas. Very good player in both run blocking and pass protection. Wouldn't mind that. But, I think Miami goes pass rusher there. I like the idea of Hurts as well. I think this is a staff that could get a lot out of him. But, I do think he ends up going in the first round.

Thomas and Espenesa are the only two I'd consider at 4... or 5...or even 6... After those two, value drops way off. My bet is that one of them will be there for us.
 
The big problem with FA QBs is missing out on the rookie contract...
That's a great point. But, Miami does have money to spend. If they believe in someone like Bridgewater then that could be an option. I know they were interested last offseason, but that was also viewed by fans as a "bridge" move. Do they think he can be a long-term answer?

It will be an interesting offseason as far as quarterbacks go. I could see a number of trades with possibly Rivers, Carr, Trubisky and maybe Cam Newton. Of those, I'd only be interested in Newton but I doubt he's a Flores type. Strikes me as a me first type person.
 
1. Don't really see the point in signing a FA QB. Stick with status quo and draft there (if available). I'm not planning to win the Super Bowl next year so if I have to wait until 2021 to draft my guy, that's what I do.

2. Future assets. Procure additional draft resources for 2021 and eventually 2022. Those drafts matter just as much as 2020, despite the fans sense of urgency in the right here, right now. Roll over as much salary cap space until your in a position to sign guys who want to play for us, not get paid by us.

3. Past failures at OL matter not. Keep throwing draft picks at that. If/when you get your QB, have a better team that what that slop we handed RT17. Signing FA OL worth a damn will be a tough sell without a monster contract/over pay.

4. Don't forget to Sell, Sell, Sell while Buying, Buying, Buying. If you don't get the QB you like at 1a, start the ball rolling on future assets and start taking phone calls pretty early on. Let it be known we don't need any one player so if you do, come and get him. It will also mask any real QB interest.

5. The freedom of needing almost everything means we don't anyone specifically. Maybe that would've been a bit different if you know who didn't get hurt, again. Just get talent. It's not that hard. There's 53 guys on the Miami Dolphins right now who all want to be Miami Dolphins next year. Convincing 5 or 6 talented free agents to join on shouldn't be THAT hard.

6. Extend Jason Sanders.

We can sit here and make valid points as to why we need every position/every prospect. At the end of the day though we have to build an identity on at least one side of the ball. If your going to take a DE first, you better be adding a DB. If you take a QB, you better be taking 2 OL in your first 5 picks, along with a RB 2nd/3rd round.

It's going to be fun to watch.
Lots of good points there. As a defensive coach, you have to think Flores would prefer to get that going first. I'm sure he's frustrated with the lack of pass rush. The secondary has done admirably considering the turnover there. Me, I'd probably get that running game going first. I think that will make everything better and give a quarterback a fighting chance.

With the free agent money Miami has to spend, I think they could look for a few "elite" type players. I think the team is in a unique spot in that they don't have anyone who immediately needs to be paid. Front load contracts etc.

I agree with playing it forward on draft picks as well. The Patriots seemingly do that every year.
 
That's a great point. But, Miami does have money to spend. If they believe in someone like Bridgewater then that could be an option. I know they were interested last offseason, but that was also viewed by fans as a "bridge" move. Do they think he can be a long-term answer?

It will be an interesting offseason as far as quarterbacks go. I could see a number of trades with possibly Rivers, Carr, Trubisky and maybe Cam Newton. Of those, I'd only be interested in Newton but I doubt he's a Flores type. Strikes me as a me first type person.

Andy Dalton... likely cut loose and could be signed to a 2 year deal.

Much better option than Fitz if Rosen and rookie both suck.
 
Your Mock is pretty similar to mine.
I took Espenesa instead... and Eason before Hurts (who I don't think is an NFL QB), but we're on the same page.
Yeah, I think rather than gambling on Herbert in the top 10 someone like Love or Eason have a ton of potential and could be had later. I do like Hurts, but scouting reports on him are very mixed.
 
Thomas and Espenesa are the only two I'd consider at 4... or 5...or even 6... After those two, value drops way off. My bet is that one of them will be there for us.
Either would help solve big problem areas.
 
There are 5 or 6 QBs that could fall into the second or third. If the F.O. has them ranked equally... let them fall a bit.

Get value. My guy is Eason. Your guy in Hurts. Some like Love... some of the players will fall on draft day.
 
Andy Dalton... likely cut loose and could be signed to a 2 year deal.

Much better option than Fitz if Rosen and rookie both suck.
I've never been a big Dalton fan. Nor am I a fan of Carr. To me, Tannehill is better than both of those guys and he wasn't good enough here. I suppose that's the big question with Bridgewater as well.
 
Any of them are only viewed as a bridge.

I'm not viewing ANY of them as being more than a bridge. Felt the same about Tannehill.
 
There are 5 or 6 QBs that could fall into the second or third. If the F.O. has them ranked equally... let them fall a bit.

Get value. My guy is Eason. Your guy in Hurts. Some like Love... some of the players will fall on draft day.
Love and Eason are both very intriguing. Love reminds me of Dak Prescott. Same kind of arm and athletic ability. Eason has a gun. I love that Hurts' athletic ability. He doesn't have a big arm, or the deep ball accuracy that Jackson has. But his game is a little bit similar.
 
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