Armando - More details on the Tannehill Philbin relationship

[xXwarXx]

Of course they do. Right up until the QB convinces everyone. You don't think these debates occurred within the Panthers organization? Steve Smith ripped Newton after he left Carolina. There was serious discussion about how he would develop. They decided to end the debate by putting a solid team around him. I hope the Dolphins do the same.

Washington is looking pretty successful. Cousins wasn't named the starter until August and fans were calling for his head earlier this season.


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There was a debate about if cam was a franchise qb? Haha

If people were ever debating if cam was a franchise qb, than there is 0 debate that tannehill clearly is not....

 

[MarinoEqualsGod]

Joe ran Vontae, Sean Smith, Dansby and Richie out of town. What are these teams glaring needs again?

Not to mention Marshall, meaning we could have used our first round pick on someone like Marcus Peters if we had Marshall, Mathews, Landry and Stills at receiver.

 

[roy_miami]

Of course they do. Right up until the QB convinces everyone. You don't think these debates occurred within the Panthers organization? Steve Smith ripped Newton after he left Carolina. There was serious discussion about how he would develop. They decided to end the debate by putting a solid team around him. I hope the Dolphins do the same.

Washington is looking pretty successful. Cousins wasn't named the starter until August and fans were calling for his head earlier this season.


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1. When Locke says "successful franchise" I doubt Washington makes the cut...

2. RGIII was deemed as the "franchise QB" by the owner on that team. Is Gruden going to be fired for suggesting he doesn't think RGIII, or Cousins for that matter, is the future?

3. Its true that successful teams have everybody on the same page, but its easy to be on the same page when Tom Brady is your QB.

4. All successful teams have one thing in common: elite QBs. If the article is true it appears that Philbin was the only one in the organization smart enough to realize that we should make finding one important.

 

[Locke]

1. When Locke says "successful franchise" I doubt Washington makes the cut...

2. RGIII was deemed as the "franchise QB" by the owner on that team. Is Gruden going to be fired for suggesting he doesn't think RGIII, or Cousins for that matter, is the future?

3. Its true that successful teams have everybody on the same page, but its easy to be on the same page when Tom Brady is your QB.

4. All successful teams have one thing in common: elite QBs. If the article is true it appears that Philbin was the only one in the organization smart enough to realize that we should make finding one important.

:rolleyes2:

So you're OK with internal dysfunction because you don't think Miami has an elite QB? You're upset because you pounded the table for Philbin harder than anyone and it turns out that he was an immature baby causing as much of the dysfunction as anyone. Let it go Philbin was terrible.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

Nobody puts Philbin in a corner.

 

[roy_miami]

:rolleyes2:

So you're OK with internal dysfunction because you don't think Miami has an elite QB? You're upset because you pounded the table for Philbin harder than anyone and it turns out that he was an immature baby causing as much of the dysfunction as anyone. Let it go Philbin was terrible.

Yeah, he's an immature baby because he felt like we needed to bring in a little competition for our lord and savior Ryan Tannehill. I can't believe people are OK with the way the QB position has been handled. Even if you're the biggest Tannehill homer on the planet wouldn't you rather have a young cheap backup on the roster instead of paying Matt Moore's corpse $5 million a year?

 

[X-FACTOR]

Lmao, Omar is such a loser. He responds to my criticism of him being a bad reporter because he forms relationships with certain players and covers them differently with a lame meme video clip, then promptly blocks me on Twitter. What a complete coward.


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Yeah he maybe lame.........but that info listed on twitter sounds like irrefutable truth. Hard to address that!

 

[Krateness]

There was a debate about if cam was a franchise qb? Haha

If people were ever debating if cam was a franchise qb, than there is 0 debate that tannehill clearly is not....

Are you making things up as you go? There was as much stipulation about Dalton and Newton last year as there ever was with Tannehil this year...

 

[nerfball]

Yeah he maybe lame.........but that info listed on twitter sounds like irrefutable truth. Hard to address that!

Omar went on a twitter rampage tonight. The guys really doesn't like the Dolphins.

 

[hoops]

Interesting but i dont buy it and if philbin did think that way i couldnt be more happy hes gone

Thst guy got fired because of personnel deficiencies and sticking with status quo...the jon gruden quote "some coaches are afraid to play unknowns" belongs on his tombstone

 

[Crazysimon]

Dang... Would have loved having Carr...

 

[Locke]

Yeah, he's an immature baby because he felt like we needed to bring in a little competition for our lord and savior Ryan Tannehill. I can't believe people are OK with the way the QB position has been handled. Even if you're the biggest Tannehill homer on the planet wouldn't you rather have a young cheap backup on the roster instead of paying Matt Moore's corpse $5 million a year?

No, he's an immature baby because he pouted that Marino and others tried to tutor Tannehill. And it sounds like he was being a passive aggressive prick to people who disagreed with him. Did you even read the article?

 

[Awsi Dooger]

Philbin was stuck. He wanted throw the ball 40+ times per game. Coming from Green Bay that wasn't a difficult guess. It was my primary knock against Philbin when we made that hire, the certainty that he'd wing it all over the place with no comprehension that your game plan should differ drastically with a mediocre quarterback as opposed to an elite one.

Let's say Joe Philbin has his doubts about Ryan Tannehill during the interview process. That's not a bad guess. But he knows he'll never get the job if he expresses those doubts. He probably would have been escorted out of the room within 5 minutes, and with negative whispers regarding how he fared, lessening the prospect of another team bringing him in. So he goes along with everything, the upward adjustments and patience, even if he recognizes the low percentages.

Then a year later he sees his career on that level -- that high paid well respected coveted level occupied by only 31 others -- jeopardized by his low percentage quarterback. He realizes this is NFL 2014 and not 1974, when you might get 5 years or more, and room to forge entirely your own roster. Damn straight he wants to pick his own guy. Are we actually faulting him for that? He knows that first round quarterbacks are the ticket, far more often than not, far more likely than lottery grabs further down.

You can't speak out against the owner or the personnel, not on this level and if you want to retain your job. It's silly to suggest Philbin should have said everything the column depicts as his actual views. He had no foundation, no benefit of a doubt.

Charlie Weis panicked and ruined his career by taking a low percentage job in the talent wasteland of Kansas instead of sitting out a season and finding a better job. Other guys have no say in the matter and have to take anything offered. That's where Philbin fit in. We had Tannehill, so he's gone.

I admire Philbin for wanting to reach higher in that 2014 draft. Ju'Waun James does nothing to advance the fortunes of this team. I posted at the time that you are losing ground to the league when you make a choice like that. Even if he pans out fully you'll be leapfrogged by teams who invariably make bolder choices and connect. I watched the tape of Indiana/Duke from the recent bowl game a few nights ago. The Hoosier left tackle is a far superior prospect to Ju'Waun James and I understand he might not be a first round pick.

In 2014 I might have picked Johnny Manziel, given our roster predicament. Even if that flopped it would be surrounded by aggressive picks who do pan out. The aggressive choices in preceding years might have precluded any necessity to take a quarterback. We've made the dullard moves so long we've been defined by them. At least with Adam Gase there is legit prospect of sharp bold moves. I won't be annoyed if high profile competition for Ryan Tannehill is one of them, regardless of what is said behind closed doors.

 

[roy_miami]

The obvious play was to take Manziel at 19 and force Cleveland's hand. Not sure why nobody does that move in the draft anymore but we were in the perfect situation for it. Had it worked out we could have gotten James and Carr.

 

[SkapePhin]

Carr hasn't even shown himself to be better than Tannehill at this point. Tannehill actually had a better record and stats 2 years in, and that's wth a much worse OL and receiving corps than what Carr had.

Draft Carr here in the same circumstances, the same people calling for Tannehill's head would be calling for Carr's head. That much I'm certain of...


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